From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/76329 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: pmlists@free.fr (Peter =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=BCnster?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Position of point in reply-with-original Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:21:43 +0100 Organization: Micropit Message-ID: <87r5bokvdk.fsf@micropit.couberia.bzh> References: <87tyglxjja.fsf@gmail.com> <87r5bpgk6p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87k4hhniw6.fsf@gmail.com> <874o8kiwme.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <87vd10694u.fsf@gmail.com> <8739o4yc4g.fsf@dod.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1296811339 17673 80.91.229.12 (4 Feb 2011 09:22:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 09:22:19 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M24681@lists.math.uh.edu Fri Feb 04 10:22:15 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlHro-0006wz-Pb for ding-account@gmane.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:22:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PlHrc-0001KH-0T; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 03:22:00 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PlHra-0001K5-Om for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 03:21:58 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PlHrZ-00045X-BL for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 03:21:58 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PlHrY-0003Pj-KG for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:21:56 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlHrX-0006kT-IT for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:21:55 +0100 Original-Received: from arennes-555-1-16-189.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr ([86.203.83.189]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:21:55 +0100 Original-Received: from pmlists by arennes-555-1-16-189.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:21:55 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 49 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: arennes-555-1-16-189.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:DtvgBNtpPRHGKglBSsTB0anzwps= X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:76329 Archived-At: Steinar Bang writes: >>>>>> Antoine Levitt : > >> Why? Again, if the user sets the variable despite the warnings, >> there's a good chance he knows what he's doing. > > Impossible. > > Nobody who would willingly pick top posting could possibly know what > he's doing. I agree: 90% of the top-posters never question what they are doing, they just begin to write, where the MUA places the point. (5 lines of text, 500 lines of old messages attached, with headers and signatures...) And the remaining 10% (people like Ted), do top-posting at work, because they believe, that they need to conform to some "standard". At my work, there are 99,9% top-posters, I'm the only one, who respects the order in which people normally read text (from top to bottom). And sometimes, people tell me, that my messages are more readable, and ask me how I do it and how they could do it using Lotus Notes. There are many other examples, where 90% of the people are doing the "- arguably - wrong thing" (citing Adam): - Typographic layout of a thesis 90% use the "standard" Word layout with very long lines on A4-paper At my university institute, I was the only one using a professional typesetting system with professional layout: a member of the jury said, that it was for her like reading a book. - Document format 99,9% of my colleagues use the "standard" proprietary Word-format to save their documents (a lot of trouble, when sending to users with different version of Word...). I use the ConTeXt typesetting system, with version control, conditional compilation (one version for the client, one for us), and so on..., and people keep asking me how I do the things that I do... Just 2 examples from my personal experience, but there are many others. So question the "standard"! Don't conform to the "standard" when you see, that's it's the "arguably wrong thing"! ;) -- Peter