From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/76287 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Position of point in reply-with-original Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:24:46 -0500 Message-ID: <87r5bpgk6p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <87tyglxjja.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1296750323 15595 80.91.229.12 (3 Feb 2011 16:25:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 16:25:23 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M24639@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Feb 03 17:25:19 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl1zi-0005G5-GB for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:25:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl1zU-0004MA-KI; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:25:04 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl1zT-0004Lt-7W for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:25:03 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl1zR-0000Z2-Uc for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:25:03 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl1zR-0003f1-7M for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:25:01 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl1zP-00053u-Fw for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:24:59 +0100 Original-Received: from dyn-carl-202-133.dyn.columbia.edu ([160.39.202.133]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:24:59 +0100 Original-Received: from eric by dyn-carl-202-133.dyn.columbia.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:24:59 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 34 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn-carl-202-133.dyn.columbia.edu User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:MbFVYThhKoTkLoGUTu7aIs6VXoA= X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:76287 Archived-At: On Thu, Feb 03 2011, Antoine Levitt wrote: > Hello, > > This might be a very dumb question but I didn't find any posts or doc to > that effect. When I reply-with-original, the point is in weird > places. For instance, > > *headers* > --text follows this line-- > On XX, YY wrote > !> stuff > > with point at !. Why isn't it either above or below by default, and why > isn't there a variable to change this behaviour? I'd expect this issue > to have been raised by now: how do people cope with this? I started a thread on this issue either here or in emacs.gnus.user pretty recently, but now can't find it… Basically the variable message-citation-line-function dictates what kind of citation line is inserted, and where point ends up afterwards. All the built-in defaults for that variable do what you've seen: place point after the citation line. If you want open space *above* the citation line, and start point at the top of the buffer, you'll have to write a custom function. Check out section 3.6 of the info manual for Message (how do you all make nifty clickable links to Info nodes, by the way?). Briefly, the "interleaved" quotation style expects that you'd begin composing your reply somewhere down in the midst of the quoted text. "Top posting" style expects you to start typing a distinct reply at the top of the message body. Gnus, having evolved for newsreading, assumes you don't want to top-post. Eric