From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/57721 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: asjo@koldfront.dk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Adam_Sj=F8gren?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: spam.el reporting and moving ham out of spam groups. Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:38:04 +0200 Organization: koldfront - analysis & revolution, Copenhagen, Denmark Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: <87r7t71t3n.fsf@koldfront.dk> References: <8765akfxxt.fsf@enki.rimspace.net> <874qq4bjr2.fsf@koldfront.dk> <87smdnkd7g.fsf@enki.rimspace.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1085560734 16141 80.91.224.253 (26 May 2004 08:38:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M6261@lists.math.uh.edu Wed May 26 10:38:46 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BStvy-0005Pc-00 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 10:38:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BStvV-0005mC-00; Wed, 26 May 2004 03:38:17 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BStvP-0005m7-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 26 May 2004 03:38:11 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BStvO-0000zN-NR for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 26 May 2004 03:38:10 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1803A021F for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 03:38:08 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BStvL-0007KN-00 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 10:38:07 +0200 Original-Received: from finn.gmane.org ([80.91.224.251]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 10:38:07 +0200 Original-Received: from asjo by finn.gmane.org with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 10:38:07 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 60 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: finn.gmane.org X-Face: &DfBw60^ZxI8hd?J%t&_8wW?SLF%BBx<2XQ+sXYpX!?{=0C?9D{Nc`;Eq<0d=-L User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:w3jGHKEaJke59jZJBL5oFvzGF7Y= Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57721 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57721 On Wed, 26 May 2004 14:46:27 +1000, Daniel wrote: >> I think spam.el would be doing "what-I-mean" more if it >> ham-processed messages marked as ham in unclassified groups in >> addition to spam groups (that is, all non-ham groups). > That is also undesirable to me, since I want to 'train on errors' > for non-spam as well. :) I don't understand that. I train on error for both spam and ham. With what I described, messages marked as ham get ham-processed whenever they are not in a ham-group. If a message is in a ham-group it is not an error when the message is ham? (That is, you can't "train on error" on a ham-message when it's correctly classified and put in a ham-group, right?) >> (If I mark something as ham, I want it ham-processed (unless it is >> in a ham-group, then I've probably marked it by mistake O:-)) > ...unless there is some explicit ham mark I have missed, "marked as > ham" means "read, killed or scored down", at least by default... Oh, I've set: (ham-marks (gnus-ticked-mark)) so I just use that and nothing else. Maybe that's skewing/obscuring my comments. Basically my setup is: Incoming email Does spam.el think it's spam? Yes: No: Put in nnml:spam Do normal splitting a) If a message in nnml:spam is ham, I mark it as ham, CRM114 is trained on it, and the message is run through normal splitting. b) If a message not in nnml:spam is spam, I mark it as spam, CRM114 is trained on it, and the message is moved to nnml:spam. I'm probably missing your points because this is simpler/more na=EFve than your setup. Best regards, --=20 "Just the words?" What a terrible to thing to say Adam Sj=F8gren about writing! asjo@koldfront.dk