* Crypto key bindings considered harmful
@ 2003-05-27 12:45 Florian Weimer
2003-05-27 13:13 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Florian Weimer @ 2003-05-27 12:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
Key sequences such as 'C-c C-m c' are a *very* bad idea. Guess
why. 8-/
The crypto support has more serious usability problems (e.g. if the
'#secure' tag is not at the beginning of the message, it is ignored
without warning *sigh*). Is anybody looking at such issues? I plan
to write a general check list to evaluate crypto-enabled mail clients,
but I can't promise anything right now (too much other tasks).
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* Re: Crypto key bindings considered harmful
2003-05-27 12:45 Crypto key bindings considered harmful Florian Weimer
@ 2003-05-27 13:13 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-05-27 16:14 ` Andreas Fuchs
2003-05-27 22:01 ` Simon Josefsson
2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Kai Großjohann @ 2003-05-27 13:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> writes:
> Key sequences such as 'C-c C-m c' are a *very* bad idea. Guess
> why. 8-/
It's too close to C-x C-c?
At least I did guess. Don't blame me when the guess was wrong ;-p
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* Re: Crypto key bindings considered harmful
2003-05-27 12:45 Crypto key bindings considered harmful Florian Weimer
2003-05-27 13:13 ` Kai Großjohann
@ 2003-05-27 16:14 ` Andreas Fuchs
2003-05-27 18:03 ` Chris Green
2003-05-27 22:01 ` Simon Josefsson
2 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Fuchs @ 2003-05-27 16:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
Today, Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> wrote:
> Key sequences such as 'C-c C-m c' are a *very* bad idea. Guess
> why. 8-/
Ugh, right.
> The crypto support has more serious usability problems (e.g. if the
> '#secure' tag is not at the beginning of the message, it is ignored
> without warning *sigh*).
Add "if there are more than one #secure tags present, only the first
one is used" - much fun can be had with an "auto-sign?" question when
sending the mail, but the mail should be encrypted.
> Is anybody looking at such issues? I plan to write a general check
> list to evaluate crypto-enabled mail clients, but I can't promise
> anything right now (too much other tasks).
Sounds like a great idea.
--
Andreas Fuchs, <asf@acm.org>, asf@jabber.at, antifuchs
irc.freenode.net's #emacs - online emacs advice from IRC addicts
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* Re: Crypto key bindings considered harmful
2003-05-27 16:14 ` Andreas Fuchs
@ 2003-05-27 18:03 ` Chris Green
2003-05-27 18:55 ` Romain FRANCOISE
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From: Chris Green @ 2003-05-27 18:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
Andreas Fuchs <asf@void.at> writes:
> Today, Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> wrote:
>> Key sequences such as 'C-c C-m c' are a *very* bad idea. Guess
>> why. 8-/
>
> Ugh, right.
Yup. When doing crypto in gnus, it's one of the few times I make
myself use the Attachements Menu since it's not going have any
possibility of me just hitting C-c C-c
--
Chris Green <cmg@sourcefire.com>
To err is human, to moo bovine.
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* Re: Crypto key bindings considered harmful
2003-05-27 18:03 ` Chris Green
@ 2003-05-27 18:55 ` Romain FRANCOISE
2003-05-27 21:36 ` Andreas Fuchs
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From: Romain FRANCOISE @ 2003-05-27 18:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
Chris Green <cmg@sourcefire.com> writes:
> Yup. When doing crypto in gnus, it's one of the few times I make
> myself use the Attachements Menu since it's not going have any
> possibility of me just hitting C-c C-c
I just hit C-c RET, then wait to see "C-c RET-" in the minibuffer to
ensure that I'm doing the right thing. I don't remember ever hitting
C-c C-c by accident.
--
Romain FRANCOISE <romain@orebokech.com> | It was fourteen degrees below
it's a miracle -- http://orebokech.com/ | on a screeching march 23.
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* Re: Crypto key bindings considered harmful
2003-05-27 18:55 ` Romain FRANCOISE
@ 2003-05-27 21:36 ` Andreas Fuchs
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From: Andreas Fuchs @ 2003-05-27 21:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
Today, Romain FRANCOISE <romain@orebokech.com> wrote:
> I just hit C-c RET, then wait to see "C-c RET-" in the minibuffer to
> ensure that I'm doing the right thing. I don't remember ever hitting
> C-c C-c by accident.
This can happen with an over-eager keyboard. I've started using a
y-or-n-p query in `message-send-hook', which (error )s if "n" is
pressed, thus preventing gnus from sending a message..
Anyway, this feels somehow ... imperfect (:
--
Andreas Fuchs, <asf@acm.org>, asf@jabber.at, antifuchs
irc.freenode.net's #emacs - online emacs advice from IRC addicts
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* Re: Crypto key bindings considered harmful
2003-05-27 12:45 Crypto key bindings considered harmful Florian Weimer
2003-05-27 13:13 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-05-27 16:14 ` Andreas Fuchs
@ 2003-05-27 22:01 ` Simon Josefsson
2003-05-27 22:19 ` lawrence mitchell
2003-05-27 22:34 ` Florian Weimer
2 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Simon Josefsson @ 2003-05-27 22:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> writes:
> Key sequences such as 'C-c C-m c' are a *very* bad idea. Guess
> why. 8-/
Right. How about C-c q *? Or C-RET *? The latter is shorter.
> The crypto support has more serious usability problems (e.g. if the
> '#secure' tag is not at the beginning of the message, it is ignored
> without warning *sigh*). Is anybody looking at such issues?
Oops.
> I plan to write a general check list to evaluate crypto-enabled mail
> clients, but I can't promise anything right now (too much other
> tasks).
This would be quite useful.
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