Configuration weirdness

Configuration weirdness

[Norman Walsh]

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Hi all,

This message is a kind of carry on to my message about searching. I wanted
to try notmuch. Historically I use gnus just for email (all nnml). So my
gnus-select-method is:

  (setq gnus-select-method '(nnml ""))

Well, I also have:

(setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
      '((nndiary "")))

but I haven't actually used nndairy in a while. My group display is:

     0, 229: acmecorp
     0,   7: acmecorp.engineering
    38, 194: acmecorp.discuss

etc.

The setup instructions for nnir, suggested doing this:

(setq gnus-select-method '(nnml ""
                                (nnir-search-engine notmuch)
                                ))

When I restart gnus, I get all of my existing groups, but I also get these

  2342,   0: nnml:acmecorp
   222,   0: nnml:acmecorp.engineering
  3332,   0: nnml:acmecorp.discuss

I don't actually care about the nnml: prefix, but I'd like to have a
single list and I'd like not to loose all my existing marks.

Anyone have any idea why my change had the effect that it did? Or how
to get it fixed?

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

--
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | At least two-thirds of our miseries
http://nwalsh.com/            | spring from human stupidity, human
                              | malice and those great motivators and
                              | justifiers of malice and stupidity:
                              | idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing
                              | zeal on behalf of religous or political
                              | ideas.--Aldous Huxley

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Re: Configuration weirdness

[Norman Walsh]

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Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:
> Anyone have any idea why my change had the effect that it did? Or how
> to get it fixed?

FWIW, it appears that if I hack the .newsrc.eld file to copy/move
the (“foldername” …) expressions to (“nnml:foldername” …) then
it kind of works. But I'm not sure how safe that is.

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

-- 
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | There has never been an unexpectedly
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Re: Configuration weirdness

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:

> Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:
>> Anyone have any idea why my change had the effect that it did? Or how
>> to get it fixed?
>
> FWIW, it appears that if I hack the .newsrc.eld file to copy/move
> the (“foldername” …) expressions to (“nnml:foldername” …) then
> it kind of works. But I'm not sure how safe that is.

If you've already done it, and nothing broke, then you should be okay.
The backend you put in your `gnus-select-method' is meant to be the
"primary" select method, which means that group names aren't prefixed
with the server name (ie, you were originally seeing just seeing
"acmecorp.engineering", no "nnml" prefix).

I don't know why adding a `nnir-search-engine' parameter would change
that, but the prefix itself shouldn't really make any difference.

Are you sure notmuch works with nnml? I was under the impression it only
works with the maildir format.

Eric

Re: Configuration weirdness

[Norman Walsh]

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Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
> If you've already done it, and nothing broke, then you should be okay.
> The backend you put in your `gnus-select-method' is meant to be the
> "primary" select method, which means that group names aren't prefixed
> with the server name (ie, you were originally seeing just seeing
> "acmecorp.engineering", no "nnml" prefix).

Ok. I only tested it on one group, and I only tested that it briefly.
But I can try to convert them all.

> I don't know why adding a `nnir-search-engine' parameter would change
> that, but the prefix itself shouldn't really make any difference.

Ok.

> Are you sure notmuch works with nnml? I was under the impression it only
> works with the maildir format.

It appears to. The search engine behind mu4e only supports maildir.

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

-- 
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | We look back on our life as a thing of
http://nwalsh.com/            | broken pieces, because our mistakes and
                              | failures are always the first to strike
                              | us, and outweigh in our imagination
                              | what we have accomplished and
                              | attained.--Goethe

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Re: Configuration weirdness

[Adam Sjøgren]

Eric writes:

> Are you sure notmuch works with nnml? I was under the impression it only
> works with the maildir format.

It does - I use notmuch with nnml :-)


  Best regards,

    Adam

-- 
 "You gotta realize, you can kill somebody with               Adam Sjøgren
  kindness too."                                         asjo@koldfront.dk

Re: Configuration weirdness

[Glyn Millington]

Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> Are you sure notmuch works with nnml? I was under the impression it only
> works with the maildir format.

Yes it works very nicely with nnml :) From man notmuch

       The mail directory you specify can contain any number of
       sub-directories and should primarily contain only files with
       individual email messages (eg. maildir or mh archives are
       perfect).

atb


Glyn

Re: Configuration weirdness

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Glyn Millington <glyn.millington@gmail.com> writes:

> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>
>> Are you sure notmuch works with nnml? I was under the impression it only
>> works with the maildir format.
>
> Yes it works very nicely with nnml :) From man notmuch
>
>        The mail directory you specify can contain any number of
>        sub-directories and should primarily contain only files with
>        individual email messages (eg. maildir or mh archives are
>        perfect).

Okay! I learned something today.

Thanks to all.

E

Re: Configuration weirdness

[Norman Walsh]

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Hello again,

Contrary to what I reported about hacking .newsrc.eld to fix this,
further attempts to do so have failed. Depending on how I hack things,
I get variously errors about missing directories, or groups with no
mail, etc.

I even tried moving my ~/Mail directory out of the way and “restarting”
to see if I could get an example of what a clean setup would look like.
That wasn't fruitful.

I also tried making some other method (nndiary) my primary select
method so that the nnml: prefix would be expected. Also not fruitful.

I've now got a whole bunch of useless

  *,   0: nnml:group-name

groups *and*

  2, 234: group-name

groups. Which is kind of annoying.

I'm happy to have nnml: if that's what makes nnir happy. And I would like
to get nnir working with notmuch since that seemed to do a quite nice job
for the actual searching.

Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:
> This message is a kind of carry on to my message about searching. I wanted
> to try notmuch. Historically I use gnus just for email (all nnml). So my
> gnus-select-method is:
>
>   (setq gnus-select-method '(nnml ""))
>
> Well, I also have:
>
> (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
>       '((nndiary "")))
>
> but I haven't actually used nndairy in a while. My group display is:
>
>      0, 229: acmecorp
>      0,   7: acmecorp.engineering
>     38, 194: acmecorp.discuss
>
> etc.
>
> The setup instructions for nnir, suggested doing this:
>
> (setq gnus-select-method '(nnml ""
>                                 (nnir-search-engine notmuch)
>                                 ))
>
> When I restart gnus, I get all of my existing groups, but I also get these
>
>   2342,   0: nnml:acmecorp
>    222,   0: nnml:acmecorp.engineering
>   3332,   0: nnml:acmecorp.discuss
>
> I don't actually care about the nnml: prefix, but I'd like to have a
> single list and I'd like not to loose all my existing marks.
>
> Anyone have any idea why my change had the effect that it did? Or how
> to get it fixed?
>
>                                         Be seeing you,
>                                           norm
>
> --
> Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | At least two-thirds of our miseries
> http://nwalsh.com/            | spring from human stupidity, human
>                               | malice and those great motivators and
>                               | justifiers of malice and stupidity:
>                               | idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing
>                               | zeal on behalf of religous or political
>                               | ideas.--Aldous Huxley

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

-- 
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | My life has a superb cast but I can’t
http://nwalsh.com/            | figure out the plot.--Ashleigh Brilliant

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Re: Configuration weirdness

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:

> Hello again,
>
> Contrary to what I reported about hacking .newsrc.eld to fix this,
> further attempts to do so have failed. Depending on how I hack things,
> I get variously errors about missing directories, or groups with no
> mail, etc.
>
> I even tried moving my ~/Mail directory out of the way and “restarting”
> to see if I could get an example of what a clean setup would look like.
> That wasn't fruitful.
>
> I also tried making some other method (nndiary) my primary select
> method so that the nnml: prefix would be expected. Also not fruitful.
>
> I've now got a whole bunch of useless
>
>   *,   0: nnml:group-name
>
> groups *and*
>
>   2, 234: group-name
>
> groups. Which is kind of annoying.
>
> I'm happy to have nnml: if that's what makes nnir happy. And I would like
> to get nnir working with notmuch since that seemed to do a quite nice job
> for the actual searching.

I may have run out of helpfulness here -- I really don't understand what
is causing this, and I suspect it would take a heck of a lot of
code exploring to figure it out. I guess my recommendation would be to
get your important servers into `gnus-secondary-select-methods', and
then clean up whatever mess results. Once you know which of your
duplicated groups are bogus and which are "real", you can always just
delete the bogus ones.

Sorry,
Eric

Re: Configuration weirdness

[Norman Walsh]

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Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
> I may have run out of helpfulness here -- I really don't understand what
> is causing this, and I suspect it would take a heck of a lot of

Right. I'll just have to dig in and see what I can do. Or dig into a
lot of code ;-)

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

-- 
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | There has never been an unexpectedly
http://nwalsh.com/            | short debugging period in the history
                              | of computers.--Steven Levy

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Re: Configuration weirdness

[Norman Walsh]

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Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:
> Right. I'll just have to dig in and see what I can do. Or dig into a
> lot of code ;-)

I dug about for a long while and made some progress. But getting “nnml:” into
the .newsrc.eld file in the right places was tedious and I got frustrated by
the number of mistakes I made.

When I had it mostly working, I discovered that I didn't need to specify

  (nnir-search-engine notmuch)

in the select method if I specified it as a default:

  (setq nnir-method-default-engines '((nnimap . imap) (nntp . gmane) (nnml . notmuch)))

So, in fact, I've gone back to mostly where I started with the
additional default and everything seems to be working fine.

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

-- 
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | There has never been an unexpectedly
http://nwalsh.com/            | short debugging period in the history
                              | of computers.--Steven Levy

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