From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/82837 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Uwe Brauer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: plain text, Ipod, format=flowed always Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:32:03 +0100 Message-ID: <87sj64vw3w.fsf@gilgamesch.quim.ucm.es> References: <87d31oex7i.fsf@gilgamesch.quim.ucm.es> <87bodj5i1g.fsf@gnus.org> <87y5gi8erx.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87wqvwr1aq.fsf@denkblock.local> <87ehhvzzrh.fsf@gilgamesch.quim.ucm.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1358163234 17702 80.91.229.3 (14 Jan 2013 11:33:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Greg Troxel To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M31103@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Jan 14 12:34:12 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TuiIs-0002fl-5F for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:34:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1TuiHE-0000cN-Bq; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 05:32:28 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1TuiHA-0000c9-Sf for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 05:32:24 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TuiH8-0005eU-Ol for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 05:32:24 -0600 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TuiH6-0008Ek-OE for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:32:20 +0100 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TuiHJ-0001Jp-8R for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:32:33 +0100 Original-Received: from gilgamesch.quim.ucm.es ([147.96.12.99]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:32:33 +0100 Original-Received: from oub by gilgamesch.quim.ucm.es with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:32:33 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 36 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: gilgamesch.quim.ucm.es X-Hashcash: 1:20:130114:gmane.emacs.gnus.general::5ONnCxcT2LhdYUED:00000000000000000000000000000000000004S6m User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) XEmacs/21.5-b32 (linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:2YOPoyLhH8xr7ZCvmxmEVfEMP/E= X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:82837 Archived-At: >> "Greg" == Greg Troxel writes: > Uwe Brauer writes: >> See also: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnusFormatFlowed > I find this wiki page hard to follow: > The take on 'older' vs 'graphical' seems to lack the proper standards > perspective (and probably should mention the non-compliant non-flowed > issue). > The "physical" vs "logical" line is an odd way to put it; > format=flowed is about giving the receiving MUA permission to reflow > paragraphs, while still sending mail that complies with line length > norms. I have played around with this for the last days. - if you just send a mail with use-hard-newlines, with or without using newlines preceding a paragraph-start line, then everything is _fine_ and behaves as expected, I can read that mail say on my Ipod just nicely since format=flowed is on. - However, if I *reply* to an email, then this are much more complicated, because with use-hard-newlines, I see stuff like > this blablak text > more text so the "best" solution would be to unfill the whole message (beyond 70 char) but I don't like this solution neither. Uwe Brauer