From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/75058 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Streamlining first-time Gnus usage Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:57:46 -0600 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87sjxyvjn9.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87tyiho54m.fsf@member.fsf.org> <8762uwdbh1.fsf@member.fsf.org> <87mxo7yrqn.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1292446829 18059 80.91.229.12 (15 Dec 2010 21:00:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:00:29 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M23414@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Dec 15 22:00:26 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSyST-0000iC-OK for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:00:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSySI-0004nQ-Vy; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:00:11 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSySH-0004nB-Ga for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:00:09 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PSySD-0000pG-Bj for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:00:09 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PSySC-0008No-Kj for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:00:04 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSySC-0000ZL-JW for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:00:04 +0100 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:00:04 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:00:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 40 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:LiMyoOgYPmby0DHvQ0EZ6H+vh74= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:75058 Archived-At: On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:05:09 +0100 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: LMI> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> Also I think the topic mode should be on by default and if there are no >> topics, the user should be asked if he'd like to make a global topic >> that contains everything so far. LMI> I have a suspicion that the common case for most new users wouldn't be LMI> to have so many groups that topics make much sense. But I could be LMI> wrong. :-) It's not that they need the topics at first, it's that showing even one topic will make them wonder what topics are and how to use them. From there they'll learn about topic parameters, and soon enough they'll be contributing to Gnus. So this is really a request for minions[1]. On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:11:10 +0100 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: LMI> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> I really don't like my secrets in memory outside of the EPA-managed >> buffer. So I'm against this change even if it seems to be more >> convenient. Better to let EPA cache the results, if it can, or use a >> non-encrypted file if you don't like it. LMI> I don't really like storing this data in Emacs memory, either, but LMI> storing it as plain text files is even more yucky. I think. But only LMI> slightly. LMI> But if we don't store this data in Emacs memory (by default), then Gnus LMI> is basically unusable for a new user. So it's a trade-off. So, if we LMI> think that having secrets in memory is better than having them on disk LMI> (slightly), then I think this is the best ~/.authinfo.gpg solution so LMI> far. But I'd, too, like to see this solved a better way. Let me see what I can do with auth-source.el rewrite. Coming Real Soon Now. Like this year. I'm going to devour netrc.el anyhow so I'll try to remove the in-memory cache if possible. Ted