From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/41088 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Florian Weimer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: How to use UTF-8 for outgoing mail with XEmacs? Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:15:38 +0100 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <87sn9uuhn9.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> References: <877kr6w8op.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035176541 4313 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 05:02:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 05:02:21 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 23580 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 15:50:14 -0000 Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu (mail@129.7.128.13) by mastaler.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 15:50:14 -0000 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 16KLkA-0002W6-00; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:49:54 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:49:46 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA26970 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:49:35 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 23558 invoked by alias); 29 Dec 2001 15:49:38 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 23553 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 15:49:38 -0000 Original-Received: from mail.s.netic.de (HELO mail.netic.de) (212.9.160.11) by gnus.org with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 15:49:38 -0000 Original-Received: by mail.netic.de (Smail3.2.0.111/mail.s.netic.de) via LF.net GmbH Internet Services via remoteip 212.9.163.70 via remotehost mail.enyo.de with esmtp for mail.gnus.org id m16KLjt-001XAyC; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:49:37 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.2] (helo=deneb.enyo.de ident=exim) by mail.enyo.de with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 16KLjo-0007Dj-00 for ding@gnus.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:49:32 +0100 Original-Received: from fw by deneb.enyo.de with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 16KM94-0000uI-00 for ding@gnus.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:15:38 +0100 Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:35:23 +0100") Original-Lines: 16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090004 (Oort Gnus v0.04) Emacs/21.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:41088 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:41088 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: >> A Recent Gnus together with stock GNU Emacs 21.1 is rather broken >> UTF-8-wise, due to a deliberate design decision. :-( > > Huh. Could you give us a brief recap? :-) There is some magic in mm-util.el to propagate ISO-8859-x, x small, to ISO-8859-15, if the message contains characters in the ISO-8859-15 charset. Stock Emacs 21.1 cannot encode any ISO-8859-15 characters using UTF-8, which means that we've got problems if the user chose a Latin-9 environment and actually uses umlauts and other characters. But you should read the thread yourself, I'm probably biased. As far as I can tlell, the thread in question started at .