Any one here who has mastered placing groups as disired in topic mode

Any one here who has mastered placing groups as disired in topic mode

[reader]

I've always had trouble making Topic groups showup where I want them.
Seems like you should be able to goto a tgroup where you want the new
one to be under it... place cursor just under that tgroup then create
the new one.  Having it appear just under right where you cursor was.

Or at least some other method the works consistently:

In the enclosed groups screen

-------       -------       ---=---       -------       ------- 
[ Gnus -- 401598 ]
  [ nnml -- 212 ]
         1: nnml:jtan.keep
         1: nnml:amazon
        30: nnml:zfs-discuss
         1: nnml:synchronybnk
         3: nnml:optumrx
       106: nnml:oi-discuss
         3: nnml:greystone_tr
         2: nnml:all-but-cron_
    [ archive -- 16 ]
      [ mail -- 6 ]...
      [ news -- 10 ]...
    [ proc-spamrel -- 49 ]...
-------       -------       ---=---       -------       -------

I'd like the last one showing (proc-spamrel) to appear just below and
one level lower than `nnml'.  But you see where it appears if I start
just below nnml and create that tgroup.

True enough that it is one step lower than `nnml' but how to make it
show up right below the list when `nnml' is unraveled? Just below
   `nnml:all-but-cron'
in the group screen above.

Seems I could remove `archive' temporarily then create `proc-spamrel'
but when there are more groups on the same level as `archive' seems
like it would be easy to do more harm than good like risk loosing a
tgroup.

Can anyone share some tips on how to get tgroups where you want them.
I know about T-tab but it seems to have the same effect. If I create
`proc-spamrel' on the same level as `nnml' then T-tab one level down
it still ends up in the same position as shown above.

I've used Topic mode for quite a long time so have tried many things
never hitting on something very handy.

Currently I'm trying to recreate a Topic look and placement that I
totally destroyed a while ago.  So there is quite a bit of fiddling to
do. 

Re: Any one here who has mastered placing groups as disired in topic mode

[Bodertz]

I don't know how to have it created where you want, but to move it now,
you can kill the topic with C-k and then add it back where you want with
C-y.  I don't know if there's a better way.

Re: Any one here who has mastered placing groups as disired in topic mode

[dick.r.chiang]

Mebbe `T m` "archive" to "nnml", which, if my Gnus code is anything like
yours, would put "archive" after "proc-spamrel".

You could also manhandle your `gnus-topic-topology` entry in `.newsrc.eld` to
strongarm the desired order.

The topics business has some bugs, to be sure, but none so showstopping as to
warrant the drudgery of writing a patch.

Re: Any one here who has mastered placing groups as disired in topic mode

[reader]

dick.r.chiang@gmail.com writes:

> Mebbe `T m` "archive" to "nnml", which, if my Gnus code is anything like
> yours, would put "archive" after "proc-spamrel".

Ok, now I've met the wizard of Topic mode.
that worked fine and frog hair. Thank you Sir.

> You could also manhandle your `gnus-topic-topology` entry in `.newsrc.eld` to
> strongarm the desired order.
>
> The topics business has some bugs, to be sure, but none so showstopping as to
> warrant the drudgery of writing a patch.

I'll try that if all else fails but for now your trick up above will
get some heavy use until I get my gnus looking like I want it. 

Re: Any one here who has mastered placing groups as disired in topic mode

[reader]

Bodertz <bodertz@gmail.com> writes:

> I don't know how to have it created where you want, but to move it now,
> you can kill the topic with C-k and then add it back where you want with
> C-y.  I don't know if there's a better way.

I did do that very thing, but it still pops up in the place shown in
the snippet of group screen I posted.
Dick C has posted a nice trick using `T m'