From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 1178 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2020 17:21:04 -0000 Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu (129.7.128.208) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 26 Aug 2020 17:21:04 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1kAz5s-009x71-RO; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 12:20:16 -0500 Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1kAz5o-009x55-4j for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 12:20:12 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1kAz5m-001g8I-Fh for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 12:20:11 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Bd3LqVCvnXqsNV9PihiWd+F0Yrk1bAlME/NvkPihMPE=; b=eBb+TbP+3JQmzCLBfga4ycpFHG MThXqrBz3UGk24cUIEwlLNrbvRzNcpquI9G8DSNAbVB6NQTgplGp3gL0mS4Onj+03SOnOsHvz50on Hyvs11k/IBZ2Ya7IXpplY/MjlWd+A2j4xVoJj9aL8WXSHDb0sYfX2MDOrL09yFyrmviY=; Received: from haven.eyrie.org ([2001:470:30:84:e276:63ff:fe62:3539]) by quimby with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kAz5e-0000D4-Sy for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:20:05 +0200 Received: from lothlorien.eyrie.org (unknown [IPv6:2603:3024:160b:400:ae22:bff:fe50:db06]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by haven.eyrie.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2927E1186D0 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 10:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lothlorien.eyrie.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C00F2B43B6B; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 10:19:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Russ Allbery To: ding@gnus.org Subject: Re: nnml suddenly not activating groups on startup In-Reply-To: <871rjtn8g2.fsf@tullinup.koldfront.dk> ("Adam =?utf-8?Q?Sj?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=B8gren=22's?= message of "Wed, 26 Aug 2020 09:59:57 +0200") Organization: The Eyrie References: <87zh6itacs.fsf@hope.eyrie.org> <871rjtn8g2.fsf@tullinup.koldfront.dk> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 10:19:58 -0700 Message-ID: <87tuwptjcx.fsf@hope.eyrie.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-ID: Precedence: bulk Adam Sj=C3=B8gren writes: > Could it be that an .overview or .marks file, that nnml stores in each > folder, got corrupted? > $ ls -l Mail/normal/.overview Mail/normal/.marks=20 > -rw-r--r-- 1 asjo asjo 6032 Feb 15 2012 Mail/normal/.marks > -rw------- 1 asjo asjo 5606188 Aug 25 21:49 Mail/normal/.overview > $=20 > It's a long shot, but was what sprung to mind as another place that Gnus > stores state for nnml. It looks like the .marks files aren't used any more (mine were all last updated in 2014). I regenerated overview with no change. I did find a proximate cause, but I don't understand it. I noticed that a few nnml groups were activated by default but most weren't, so I inspected the group data with G E. The nnml groups that were activated have (nnml "") as the last element of their data. The ones that aren't activated have "nnml:" as the last element of their data. Presumably I can fix this by editing all of the group metadata accordingly, but I think new groups are created using the "nnml:" syntax. I vaguely recall seeing soemthing on StackOverflow that said this was an intentional change from some time back, but it seems to suddenly be causing me problems? The two things that happened right before this problem started was that I aborted several "g" new-news checks, and I added an NNTP group with a new secondary server. --=20 Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org)