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From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>
To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: Proposed new introductory section to the Gnus manual
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 10:55:31 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tv9ddk64.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <s6jblvojbpv.fsf@bobnewell.net>

Bob Newell <bobnewell@bobnewell.net> writes:

> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>
>> A hindrance for users at any age :) There are whole aspects of Gnus
>> (scoring, spam, agent categories, etc) that I have never touched,
>> simply
>> because I couldn't be bothered with the learning curve.
>
> As an old retiree myself --- even with 10 years experience with
> Gnus-- there are aspects that I too haven't explored, scoring
> being the most prominent among them.
>
> And yet my gnus startup file is over 1000 lines of elisp (maybe
> half of it comment lines, but still) ... but that does
> underscore the point that without at least some ability with
> elisp, using gnus is probably not feasible.
>
> There might be a way to change that, but would a 'generic' gnus
> miss the point? We use gnus because it's amazing and does crazy
> stuff ... what other client would allow me (just as one small example)
> to set my input method to French, German, or Hawaiian depending
> on the addressee, let alone choose my smtp server based on a
> similar criterion? (Certain people ALWAYS get email from my
> preciously preserved AOL address!)
>
> The limitations of non-programmable clients show themselves
> quickly. Even the more 'advanced' ones fall far short.

Oh I definitely agree, and have no intention of reducing Gnus'
user-facing complexity. But I think a bit more hand-holding for newbies
couldn't hurt. It was truly frustrating in the beginning.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-09-16  2:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-18 23:26 Eric Abrahamsen
2019-08-19  0:34 ` dick.r.chiang
2019-08-19  1:06   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-08-19  2:46     ` Bob Newell
2019-08-19  7:01       ` Eric S Fraga
2019-08-20  4:26         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-08-20 11:37           ` dick
2019-09-09  8:13             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-09-09 11:52               ` dick
2019-09-09 18:39                 ` Bob Newell
2019-09-09 19:48                   ` dick
2019-09-10  2:36                     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-09-10 20:21                       ` dick
2019-09-10 23:50                         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-09-12 19:19                           ` Michael
2019-09-13  9:19                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-09-13 15:08                               ` Eric S Fraga
2019-09-13 16:54                               ` Michael
2019-09-16  2:51                                 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-09-13 18:24                               ` Bob Newell
2019-09-13 18:39                                 ` Change input method or smtp server depending on addressee (was: Proposed new introductory section to the Gnus manual) Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2019-09-14 17:38                                   ` Change input method or smtp server depending on addressee Štěpán Němec
2019-09-16 18:26                                     ` Bob Newell
2019-09-16  8:52                                   ` Robert Pluim
2019-12-20 12:54                                   ` 황병희
2019-09-16  2:55                                 ` Eric Abrahamsen [this message]
2019-09-16 18:34                                   ` Proposed new introductory section to the Gnus manual Bob Newell
2019-09-10 20:39                     ` Adam Sjøgren
2019-09-10 20:54                       ` dick
2019-09-12  5:31                       ` Steinar Bang
2019-09-07 19:50           ` Adam Sjøgren
2019-09-08 17:00             ` Bob Newell
2019-08-19 16:01       ` Adam Sjøgren
2019-08-19 18:04         ` Bob Newell
2019-08-19 18:09           ` Adam Sjøgren
2019-08-20  4:29         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-09-07 19:44           ` Adam Sjøgren
2019-08-19 16:16       ` Eric S Fraga
2019-08-20  7:08       ` Bjørn Mork
2019-08-20  9:51         ` Eric S Fraga
2019-08-20 10:32           ` Bjørn Mork
2019-08-20 10:55             ` Eric S Fraga
2019-08-19 17:55 ` Adam Sjøgren

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