From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/88757 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Newell Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Proposed new introductory section to the Gnus manual Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2019 08:39:34 -1000 Organization: Avi Gobbler Publishing Message-ID: <87tv9lmhzt.fsf@bobnewell.net> References: <87o90mm4x2.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87blwmuh6j.fsf@dick.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87mug6klq3.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87mug5bpuh.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87y2zojwbz.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <871rxggj9l.fsf@gmail.com> <87d0g9q44t.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87a7bdelf4.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="183169"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M36961@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Sep 09 20:40:32 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.208]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1i7OaV-000lVl-MH for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 20:40:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1i7OZp-0002ou-LK; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 13:39:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1i7OZm-0002mG-2B for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 13:39:46 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.2) (envelope-from ) id 1i7OZj-0005tu-N6 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 13:39:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pg1-f194.google.com ([209.85.215.194]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1i7OZf-0003Kj-7g for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 20:39:41 +0200 Original-Received: by mail-pg1-f194.google.com with SMTP id d10so8286749pgo.5 for ; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 11:39:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bobnewell-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:to:subject:organization:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=4RrzFSturP/7o2AlU6Gl9wjyudvgNYfRJWUvVtUCwhI=; b=EBvG29si5QVpbNlB1m/kslwbfGxpEowD9//nwJlTAU0tLI8BEYJQlUOpNlssW1WDaR eSD2x0BTjlHOKGsE3/0wI5YP/m8Fo0J777wF5Sdw5sKlTK418BoX4oh76quWbF7EL7HO 0PDcPwpEXiu+ZEP2wYbKaOp/K0sgOmiloHVIuDBIsyS2iOKWB2aKg30GZa+jKZGyRfJe H2jL9XjEa6bBOV+CZLHfWAD+8jOJXC2MAjV1KnmJax1Xeqy+tMJiDwbLZdgr0uwOtcNe Fkh9DvsagmQ5kWY0+5DxClwoF5O2eJwipDqm4/hlD5OtU8f6MAHkzeVsP2qgGbRaxFC/ hBQg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:organization:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=4RrzFSturP/7o2AlU6Gl9wjyudvgNYfRJWUvVtUCwhI=; b=qZbfHb74UMqSuhRhfEjfpd9+xAO1luKZXgzl45iNVnrVGTnSVDJ04GLM3n8ELx/6WC KJwSzE+1voOZTdhTKH4aUDRGqoYgIhkQ2zk/d8gE4T+QbxTm8AVJ1z5WN96VFKFQwEUQ rz5Q/JElfN7eCx9NEsJqavty2/yiClcZh/iXVuPhNnwEbqup5yPhPn/Fi3px+JwN0Wvk 5M+GrLdi9tQiTMpo12Kwlt9Uvkl0HERh0fDPQAZG9E52iv8eO+lbKeFgK2dW5V/iB49+ kcgXiSkkFh013tjPvjlq7/oA2uCSk5gp2xRpe7lTvgV9zbH8zpQr+jjxLDMtND5Jcewk pX1w== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXtrwBEI8zlv65ykZ72lx4UMy9udVGKOR8H18ywtzZDgN0n9olu XP/kt9WIUX967iE/4YNrpT4Pxu5FRxVY5A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyzXZylQijrrlM1UURFKhkd3iyRuTMzC3mne8Dx8/PoBXEq957WiJc+B6EBRkiP9W75uYeQWA== X-Received: by 2002:a65:690b:: with SMTP id s11mr22854105pgq.10.1568054376957; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 11:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost ([2607:f278:410e:2:81ea:658e:137a:b723]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 64sm19421478pfx.31.2019.09.09.11.39.35 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 09 Sep 2019 11:39:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87a7bdelf4.fsf@gmail.com> (dick's message of "Mon, 09 Sep 2019 07:52:47 -0400") List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:88757 Archived-At: dick writes: > redguardtoo's document (along with other google hits for "Gnus > tutorial") got me nowhere. It's unfortunate that it received 5000 github > stars (mostly from users in China). Yes, this is the one I referenced: https://github.com/redguardtoo/mastering-emacs-in-one-year-guide/blob/master/gnus-guide-en.org I suppose YMMV but I found it very useful (in conjunction with another on using gnus with gmail). Now, at the time I first read it, I was already well into Gnus, but it gave me some useful tips and I think if it were to be read patiently, it would help a newcomer a lot. Of course it could use some editing and cleanup, but that's quite doable. > By plying Google's search algo, > it has become the unoffical guide to Gnus, which is one reason > among many why Gnus is on the wane relative to notmuch and mu4e. I must disagree with the 3rd clause, that this is driving users away. I think if you approach gnus with the idea that "I'm not going to do this unless it's dead easy" then you've already lost and you're better off with Thunderbird or some sort of web mail (I can't speak to notmuch or mu4e, having never used either one). And is gnus truly on the wane? I imagine getting stats to support an argument either way would be difficult. But as I've alluded to earlier, gnus is niche software. It appeals to a certain mindset. While it's (to me at least[1]) the most powerful and flexible email/news client imaginable, I don't know that it ever was intended to have appeal across a broad spectrum. -- Bob Newell Honolulu, Hawai`i * Via Gnus/BBDB/Org/Emacs/Linux * [1] It even lets me collect my AOL mail along with my gmail :)