From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/82045 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Steinar Bang Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: I can haz cloud idea Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:52:37 +0200 Organization: Probably a good idea Message-ID: <87txx44wru.fsf@dod.no> References: <87fwebnzd8.fsf@gnus.org> <1swr7nl0tf.fsf@voll.uninett.no> <87mx8elugg.fsf@gnus.org> <87aa4banji.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ty1wzjui.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87hat5m997.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1342644780 30978 80.91.229.3 (18 Jul 2012 20:53:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:53:00 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M30315=ding+2Daccount=gmane.org@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Jul 18 22:52:58 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SrbEs-000204-Uj for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:52:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SrbEr-0008P7-TV for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:52:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SrbEq-0008P1-C1 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:52:52 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SrbEo-0000hz-8r for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:52:51 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SrbEm-0006Hf-7y for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:52:48 +0200 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SrbEm-0001ia-Eg for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:52:48 +0200 Original-Received: from ip-152-206-46-46.dialup.ice.net ([46.46.206.152]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:52:48 +0200 Original-Received: from sb by ip-152-206-46-46.dialup.ice.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:52:48 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 40 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-152-206-46-46.dialup.ice.net Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:olImlMbFwBJi/AbGc44Tl7ID0c8= X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:82045 Archived-At: >>>>> Ted Zlatanov : > Due to external commitments I'm not working on this for a while, but > wanted to write a followup so people can comment. I think general > "cloudiness" is a good thing nowadays, but sacrificing Lisp's power to > be compatible with less powerful MUAs is not. I agree. > So a Lispy cloudiness is a better goal, perhaps implemented with an > IMAP backend. I agree. > All of the Emacs ecosystem could benefit from such functionality: > BBDB, general data storage, auth-sources, .emacs and installed ELPA > packages, and so on. But even just for Gnus it's a good thing. I agree (again...). > I've been using CouchDB a lot with gnus-sync.el, and think you were > right about relying on CouchDB itself. It's a pain in the long term, > like any database. Yep. The current problem I have (when traveling) is getting auth to work, so I don't have to do "Allow from" subnets. > It's not Lispy at all, either. Nope. > I'd like to work with you set up an IMAP sync backend, perhaps driven by > gnus-sync.el, and rework gnus-sync.el as needed. The file backend > should stay if possible; the LeSync protocol should simply become a Lisp > data merge (we'll give the users the tools to upgrade). I like this. :-) I'm volunteering to try this out as an early adopter...:-)