From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/77248 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: make-progress-reporter suggestions: 'modeline and customizable progress-reporter--pulse-characters Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:38:32 -0600 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87tyfu1d2v.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87ei76yi1x.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87lj1ergg5.fsf@gmx.de> <87ipwi3hjm.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fwrmr6gf.fsf@gmx.de> <8739nm1u6n.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <878vxdxfzw.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fwrj6j18.fsf@gmx.de> <87zkpp43s2.fsf@gmx.de> <87aaho0yi1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ipwb5fcc.fsf@gnus.org> <87fwrf87f3.fsf@gmx.de> <87tyfuh3l3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87hbbuv25k.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1298507947 13683 80.91.229.12 (24 Feb 2011 00:39:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:39:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 24 01:38:59 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PsPEQ-0005Xe-JV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 01:38:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45858 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PsPEP-0008MD-G5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:38:57 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=51319 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PsPEI-0008M2-R6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:38:51 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PsPEH-0003C7-CY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:38:50 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:59758) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PsPEH-0003Bd-2w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:38:49 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PsPED-0005TD-NU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 01:38:45 +0100 Original-Received: from c-67-186-102-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([67.186.102.106]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 01:38:45 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by c-67-186-102-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 01:38:45 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 54 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-67-186-102-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110014 (No Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:gTaNWvZZ8KbeM7nT9HnoEV+L9MA= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:136421 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:77248 Archived-At: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:05:43 -0500 Chong Yidong wrote: CY> Julien Danjou writes: >> Why not rather a full part of the echo area for all the global >> indicators that should be there rather than in the mode-line? CY> I think this is a good idea. How about putting such indicators on the CY> right-hand side of the echo area, justified to the right? We could give CY> it a slightly less prominent face to distinguish it from ordinary echo CY> area messages. CY> One I can think of is that it might get confusing if echo area messages CY> start to overlap the indicator area (especially multi-line messages). CY> And how this would interact with the minibuffer is not clear. ...if only there was an area that doesn't overlap messages or the minibuffer... :) Really, looking at Emacs visually, I can't see any other area more appropriate than the mode line. Maybe the fringe area? But the mode line has a chance to work in text mode too. Only the echo area can compete with that but with the other messages there it will become visual spaghetti. CY> One more thing: we could put a GTK spinner object (GtkSpinner) on the CY> right edge of the GTK tool bar. I haven't looked into the details, but CY> the required code changes probably won't be too challenging. ...but that's worse! A GTK spinner is not a part of the editor the user can customize. The user can't move it around or format it differently or assign a different pulse character set to it. And it won't work in text mode. I would prefer not to use the tool bar. It steals vertical space and (to me) serves no practical purpose. On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:28:05 -0800 "Drew Adams" wrote: DA> If we really must have something like this, let it be limited to a particular DA> buffer (show the buffer if you're interested in following the progress; don't DA> show it when you don't want to see it). Optionally show the buffer in a DA> separate frame - it could be as small as you like (e.g tooltip-like, with no DA> decoration). That's a LOT of work for a simple effect. What's the benefit of more than 1 spinning indicator in a single-threaded editor? At best they are distracting. What's an example where it would be useful? DA> FWIW - All in all, personally I would find this feature a distraction. I would DA> be one user who would turn it off. YAGNI. OK, so you're against it. Why spend so much time giving suggestions for something you won't use? Ted