From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/76710 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: auth-source.el and eieio Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:33:30 -0600 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87tyg6skad.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87y65jqthf.fsf@gnus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1297697741 32055 80.91.229.12 (14 Feb 2011 15:35:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:35:41 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M25052@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Feb 14 16:35:33 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp0SV-0000jy-VO for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:35:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp0SJ-0001aq-Ms; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:35:15 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp0SH-0001aT-LE for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:35:13 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp0SD-0003UH-NJ for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:35:13 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp0SC-0004Fs-7c for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:35:08 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp0S8-0000U5-Mk for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:35:04 +0100 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:35:04 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:35:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 21 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:kJKuTvz8dpdpGyLXIXt+wfqDyCg= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:76710 Archived-At: On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:45:32 -0800 Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: LI> Katsumi Yamaoka writes: >> Gnus still supports Emacs 23.1 and earlier, however the eieio >> module is not available there. secrets.el is not, either. >> How do we manage the new auth-source.el? LI> Hm, yes. That's not good. Is there a way for auth-source "degrade LI> gracefully" when eieio and secrets.el isn't present? Ugh. EIEIO requires other libraries and it really improves the code IMO. I'm using `oref' in many places and it allows both the 'property and the :property styles. It would be a pain to rewrite it all and I'd like to keep using `defclass' in Gnus. Also, EIEIO has special glue to allow objects to be customized in place in Emacs, which was one of the reasons I chose it. Can we require CEDET to be installed to use Gnus? It's not a huge burden on the user. We can even fetch and install it during the build. Ted