From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/67428 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sebastian Krause Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Bug#499774: starttls is a joke Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:39:51 +0200 Message-ID: <87tzc61abc.fsf@news.realpath.org> References: <871vzca7gp.fsf@natisbad.org> <87y71kpmq7.fsf@bubble.risko.hu> <87ljxi3oty.fsf@mat.ucm.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222269088 18427 80.91.229.12 (24 Sep 2008 15:11:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:11:28 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M15878@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Sep 24 17:12:25 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KiVyL-000766-RA for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:08:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KiVwK-00025P-3q; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:06:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KiLES-0005uG-Vz for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:40:04 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KiLEM-00030M-Vo for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:40:04 -0500 Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.154]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1KiLER-0006E2-00 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:40:03 +0200 Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so2106732fgg.23 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.187.243.17 with SMTP id v17mr954478far.77.1222227596076; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost ([89.244.96.194]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h2sm2174011fkh.11.2008.09.23.20.39.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:39:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87ljxi3oty.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (Uwe Brauer's message of "Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:43:21 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:67428 Archived-At: Uwe Brauer wrote: > I just want to support the attitude of *not* removing this > packages. For me this is the only possibility of sending mail > (using gmail smtp server) when I am not at work. Yes it might be > broken, but right now I don't know of _any_ alternatives. I send my Gnus mail through smtp.gmail.com using msmtp (http://msmtp.sourceforge.net/), it simply can't be easier. Other alternatives like esmtp exist. I see no need for something like starttls on my system. Sebastian