From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 11210 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2021 11:52:24 -0000 Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu (129.7.128.32) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 25 Oct 2021 11:52:24 -0000 Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.208]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1meyWc-00Bnuh-EB for ml@inbox.vuxu.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 06:52:22 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1meyWb-00CIvL-Oy for ml@inbox.vuxu.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 06:52:21 -0500 Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1meyWZ-00CIvD-Ip for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 06:52:19 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1meyWX-002sh6-08 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 06:52:19 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Date:Subject: From:To:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=RHBvxOK85uk9uutmMa7+wsOLXEOiyWzv9+dCLMSzuXI=; b=WNegHXSnF185FJrUOLZFX+UC2O acp+pAZJBJxgyJ2cbW4HBbHNPJJ3vd5gnuiFi1/40O44DKnUjS/2M3ZhZAdM5Qn2NjWxYFEvU/odL zpdw2rPQTumrTKqWJTFlNNwfTL1BRyES76g2PMVDfkleCURyaPXfhivNY9NDKIG3x2sk=; Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1meyWO-0000l5-Tn for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 13:52:12 +0200 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1meyWN-0002yL-3Y for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 13:52:07 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org To: ding@gnus.org From: Emanuel Berg Subject: Re: sorry man off-topic Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 13:51:54 +0200 Message-ID: <87v91luxt1.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <87ee8dl53r.fsf@penguin> <87wnm5nx25.fsf@zoho.eu> <87wnm1muif.fsf@eps142.cdf.udc.es> <87h7d5wo8w.fsf@zoho.eu> <87sfwpmrn4.fsf@eps142.cdf.udc.es> <878ryhwjs0.fsf@zoho.eu> <87lf2hmk25.fsf@eps142.cdf.udc.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:YaPWauhhofcCdGaVxIzP2Ok1Kcc= Mail-Copies-To: never List-ID: Precedence: bulk Alberto Luaces wrote: > I did many years ago, and in fact I quite enjoyed it, but > recommending it nowadays to a newbie is a terrible advice, > no offense. An intro book in C is about the C language which is very easy. It is possible to learn _without_ a book at age 12, you just need a text file, an editor, a compiler, and the Internet. What is difficult OTOH is getting a grip and hold of the libraries and develop an engineering instinct how to make them work with your tweaks and adaptations to ultimately solve a problem or provide a service in a technology setting that have particular characteristics and attributes even when your program enters the scene. So, a "newbie" can read zero, one or _all_ intro books on C, and the effect of that is a function of the "newbie"'s cognitive abilities, dedication, and work habits, not on the quality of the C books, of which there are many that are very good - and especially that won't ever happen here, since that's a great book, iconic even, and the C language hasn't changed much at all (on the contrary, other languages have adopted its syntax) - so even if that argument made sense, which it doesn't, it makes even less sense here! Write code every day, and as for books the more good books you read the better. That's all there is to it. Be confident and don't worry about meaningless details e.g. what particular book to read, what order to do what, what standard may have changed to a minimal extent from one point to another on the timeline before you were born, instead have FUN and add VOLUME every day. V O L U M E while thinking at the same time. #@$%&! -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal