From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: (qmail 23812 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2020 21:24:35 -0000 Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu (129.7.128.208) by inbox.vuxu.org with UTF8ESMTPZ; 19 Apr 2020 21:24:35 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jQHPv-0007aj-FK; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 16:23:55 -0500 Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jQHPr-0007Y1-2R for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 16:23:51 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jQHPp-0000QS-Ij for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 16:23:50 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Rj/VO/UDp7oFPTxu1nl80koZA94VZIjB+vWuH27iFp0=; b=fhA0UJnRh041xnkiFB+DJONjUX CUuLfHOzOYIN45fV/z3kx7M7v0wjVrvXNj0njCCorj4bGKMRPNXpbie+fg2Hk0yTHX/4BxliI8jn/ st776KBcZNtCmcu2ziJNdKzRJecM54Jw8BGj2ORfgvhmzuWTJc2IHubebv4OMsfcPCuA=; Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18] helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jQHPi-0005YF-Bu for ding@gnus.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 23:23:45 +0200 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 58173FA01D; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 21:23:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen To: Robert Pluim Cc: Christian Barthel , ding@gnus.org Subject: Re: new wifi connection = nntp timeout = Emacs restart? References: <87sgh3coxn.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87o8rogew7.fsf@barthel.ch> <87zhb7mlf0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 14:23:36 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Robert Pluim's message of "Sun, 19 Apr 2020 20:02:20 +0200") Message-ID: <87v9lvmap3.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-ID: Precedence: bulk Robert Pluim writes: >>>>>> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 10:32:03 -0700, Eric Abrahamsen said: > Eric> Yeah, I used to assume I was hallucinating, but it's been going= on for > Eric> too long now. The rest of what you describe below is perfectly = "normal" > Eric> for Gnus, and the same as what we all experience, but this rest= arting > Eric> thing... Next time I switch networks (not all that often, these= days) > Eric> I'll do some edebugging and try to open a more detailed bug rep= ort. > > I see this too. Well that's sort of reassuring! > Every time I try to look at it, it=CA=BCs an issue somewhere deep in Emac= s' > networking code where it=CA=BCs trying to read from the network and > failing, but not failing enough that it gets an error or a timeout. > And then Real Life=E2=84=A2 intervenes and I *have* to get Gnus working a= gain. That's always the problem, Gnus is too mission critical. That's why I made the gnus-mock package, which I wish more people would use for hacking on Gnus! > I=CA=BCve tried turning on tcp-keepalives, but that doesn=CA=BCt help eit= her. > > Good luck, there are dragons in that part of the code :-) Oh I fully intend for someone else to solve the problem :) But I might first try to set up a second wifi network in my apartment so I can test more easily, and maybe see if netstat shows anything interesting. Eric