From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/88311 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eric S Fraga Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Converting TOFU into something less unreasonable Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 13:45:00 +0000 Organization: On the Interweb somewhere Message-ID: <87va35ua77.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> References: <871s602kh7.fsf@tullinup.koldfront.dk> <87lg43xfwz.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <871s5u6con.fsf@tullinup.koldfront.dk> <87r2duiwku.fsf@portable.galex-713.eu> <8736qamhfu.fsf@tullinup.koldfront.dk> <87y382l2qq.fsf@tullinup.koldfront.dk> <87pnteuky6.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <878t01lvyd.fsf@tullinup.koldfront.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1546522991 21141 195.159.176.226 (3 Jan 2019 13:43:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 13:43:11 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M36521@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Jan 03 14:43:07 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.208]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gf3H8-0005Nr-Qe for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2019 14:43:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1gf3JD-0005Hk-Of; Thu, 03 Jan 2019 07:45:15 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1gf3J9-0005F1-Cj for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 03 Jan 2019 07:45:11 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1gf3J7-0003W9-Gf for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 03 Jan 2019 07:45:11 -0600 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (helo=blaine.gmane.org) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gf3J6-00062D-9D for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2019 14:45:08 +0100 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gf3Gx-00057f-JM for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2019 14:42:55 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 30 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org X-Url: http://twitter.com/ericsfraga/ Cancel-Lock: sha1:qV7dA5239kxs8gO94OpCp+YCefE= X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:88311 Archived-At: On Thursday, 3 Jan 2019 at 14:19, Adam Sjøgren wrote: > Eric writes: >> A lazy excuse that has also been used on me. I do wonder if anybody >> that uses this excuse has ever actually tried to read a conversation >> consisting of top posted messages? It's an up&down back&forth scrolling >> nightmare. > > If everybody does TOFU, you just read from the bottom to the top. Yes except that if any previous email is longer than a screen's worth, you page up to find start of that message, page down to read, then page up to find start of next message, etc. ad nauseum. > I think the valid point they have is that you can only get the entire > history if the person who forwards the emails has been in on the > conversation from the beginning, and that person has to forward all the > emails, not just the latest. That's just an excuse for a possible shortcoming in whatever MUA is being used as you should be able to mark all desired emails and send these on as a bundle. Anyway, on this list, we're all pretty much on the same page... Hope somebody gets motivated enough to write some elisp to create a TOFU specific washing function! And I liked the quote you gave. -- Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50 & org 9.1.14 on Debian buster/sid