From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/81140 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Emacs version compatibility Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:40:26 +0100 Message-ID: <87vcnq736d.fsf@gnus.org> References: <871uqey9t4.fsf@gnus.org> <87y5smxwa4.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328125255 29404 80.91.229.3 (1 Feb 2012 19:40:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 19:40:55 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M29421@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Feb 01 20:40:55 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsg2z-0003pF-ID for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:40:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsg2q-0006t1-G2; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 13:40:40 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsg2p-0006se-0X for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 13:40:39 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsg2n-0006bP-PU for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 13:40:38 -0600 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsg2m-0007Vb-Cf for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:40:36 +0100 Original-Received: from 93-41-188-50.ip82.fastwebnet.it ([93.41.188.50] helo=rusty) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsg2d-0006kT-ON for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:40:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87y5smxwa4.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Wed, 01 Feb 2012 13:07:15 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130002 (Ma Gnus v0.2) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) X-MailScanner-ID: 1Rsg2d-0006kT-ON MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1328730028.0948@15xFQOjdXHfDqzYzuBzdMA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:81140 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > LI> More controversially :-), I think =D5=E6 Gnus should also stop defini= ng > LI> compatibility functions like `gnus-mark-active-p', and instead just > LI> start maintaining a `gnus-compat.el' library that would define functi= ons > LI> like `mark-active-p' for Emacsen that don't define them. > > LI> This will make the source code more readable, I think. I've now started this, with `delete-directory' as the first victim. It redefines it to have the `recursive' parameter, if it doesn't already. I know this is really bad engineering. I know this is pretty much a maintainability nightmare. If all packages redefined Emacs core functions willy-nilly, Emacs would become totally unusable. But enough is enough. Bring your Emacsen up to par, or be redefined. > I am 100% in favor of both. But gnus-compat.el could be an ELPA package > so other packages and users can have the same functionality. There's already an fsf-compat package that people use. If somebody wants to take stuff out of gnus-compat and put it there, that's fine. > Which reminds me, are you interested in packaging Ma Gnus as an ELPA > package? Not really. Ma Gnus is going to be seriously unstable if I'm able to type fast enough. :-) --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no * Sent from my Rome