From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/76313 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Antoine Levitt Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Position of point in reply-with-original Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:33:37 +0100 Message-ID: <87vd10694u.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87tyglxjja.fsf@gmail.com> <87r5bpgk6p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87k4hhniw6.fsf@gmail.com> <874o8kiwme.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1296772536 18606 80.91.229.12 (3 Feb 2011 22:35:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:35:36 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M24666@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Feb 03 23:35:31 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7ly-0002wg-Fk for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:35:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7ld-0006sT-Nr; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:35:09 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7lc-0006sM-Oz for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:35:08 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7lb-0002De-S6 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:35:08 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7lb-0001PK-5G for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:35:07 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7la-0002k7-Dq for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:35:06 +0100 Original-Received: from ney92-7-78-233-218-202.fbx.proxad.net ([78.233.218.202]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:35:06 +0100 Original-Received: from antoine.levitt by ney92-7-78-233-218-202.fbx.proxad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:35:06 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 65 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ney92-7-78-233-218-202.fbx.proxad.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:77EatBbu+gqDa94R61CKqvu+jgA= X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:76313 Archived-At: 03/02/11 23:25, Reiner Steib > On Thu, Feb 03 2011, Antoine Levitt wrote: > >> There's message-cite-reply-above that does the trick, but is incredibly >> condescending by >> >> - insulting you for wanting the option in the first place in the >> docstring > > I think the doc string (I wrote it, as well as the code) is neither > condescending nor insulting: > > ,----[ v message-cite-reply-above RET ] > | message-cite-reply-above is a variable defined in `message.el'. > | Its value is nil > | > | Documentation: > | If non-nil, start own text above the quote. > | > | Note: Top posting is bad netiquette. Don't use it unless you > | really must. You probably want to set variable only for specific > | groups, e.g. using `gnus-posting-styles': > | > | (eval (set (make-local-variable 'message-cite-reply-above) t)) > | > | This variable has no effect in news postings. > `---- > >> - ignoring the setting in news posting > > That's a feature. Why? Again, if the user sets the variable despite the warnings, there's a good chance he knows what he's doing. > >> - asking you if you're really really sure when you post >> >> It seems it's pretty standard use in mail, > > Yes unfortunately, like HTML, missing line breaks, stupid disclaimers, > "Sent from my whatever...", signatures without a separator, ... > >> and almost all "modern" clients (webmails, thunderbird, outlook and >> such) have this as default. > > If you want , use it. > >> I'm not trying to start a flamewar as to which one is better, but we >> should give the users the option. > > You have the option, as you already discovered. > > On Thu, Feb 03 2011, Antoine Levitt wrote: >> But I for one would like to post above the cited text, at least in >> mail. In the current state of affairs, I cannot do it without >> modifying gnus' source code. > > Not true. > > Bye, Reiner. I _can't_ use it, because I want to be able to use it in news posting and not answer a yes-no question whenever I send a mail. See the proposed patch in the other thread.