From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/57685 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Pittman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus SPAM support, and email based reporting. Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 04:07:35 +1000 Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: <87vfilitqw.fsf@enki.rimspace.net> References: <87isfy7p6a.fsf@enki.rimspace.net> <1xmm1vhg.fsf@random.localnet.unwireduniverse.com> <4nzn95gwu7.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87lljt2534.fsf@enki.rimspace.net> <4nfz9xbirq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87d64uaxpg.fsf@enki.rimspace.net> <4naczyj5xf.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87isellxhu.fsf@enki.rimspace.net> <4noeod67v8.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1085422086 3524 80.91.224.253 (24 May 2004 18:08:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 18:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M6225@lists.math.uh.edu Mon May 24 20:07:58 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BSJrh-0002ji-00 for ; Mon, 24 May 2004 20:07:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BSJrb-0000Xf-00; Mon, 24 May 2004 13:07:51 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BSJrW-0000Xa-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 24 May 2004 13:07:46 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSJrW-0002SS-6x for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 24 May 2004 13:07:46 -0500 Original-Received: from anu.rimspace.net (203-217-29-35.perm.iinet.net.au [203.217.29.35]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC193A026D for ; Mon, 24 May 2004 13:07:45 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by anu.rimspace.net (Postfix, from userid 10) id 3E90D4BB43; Tue, 25 May 2004 04:07:44 +1000 (EST) Original-Received: by enki.rimspace.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C2F0A15095B; Tue, 25 May 2004 04:07:36 +1000 (EST) Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: <4noeod67v8.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "24 May 2004 13:40:59 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57685 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57685 On 25 May 2004, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > On Tue, 25 May 2004, daniel@rimspace.net wrote: > >> I agree with that; it makes sense to be able to treat it just like the >> other spam settings. The default prompting thing would also be good, >> though, for the better "out of the box" experience, I think. >> >> Give me a minute... >> >> ...and this should implement precisely that. > > I'm not sure I like this auto-magic setting on first use. Does anyone > else like/dislike it? Seems to me like we should choose a valid > default or nil, but not ask the user unless they want to be asked. > Of course, I could be wrong, but nowhere else in Gnus is this used > AFAIK. Well, I don't believe that we *can* find a valid default value. I certainly know of nothing that would work for ever a small proportion of people, let alone a majority. This isn't unprecedented within Emacs either; PSGML already does this for `user-email-address'. I don't think that this should be the recommended way of setting the value, either, just that it is the nicest option when we don't have a value already - and it isn't likely to trigger in any automated setup that I can see... >> No handling of the group stuff yet, because I am not sure where that >> is best hooked in. > > I looked at gnus.el, and the attached patch adds the parameter. Let > me know if the *parameter* looks OK and I can add the rest of the glue > to make spam.el do a lexical let on spam-report-resend-to. At the moment the code only deals with a string `spam-report-resend-to'; I wonder if it is best to support more than one address there... Anyway, that looks reasonable to me, with the caveat that I don't know that code well. Daniel -- The secret of happiness is this: Let your interests be as wide as possible, and let your reactions to the things and persons that interest you be as far as possible friendly rather than hostile. -- Bertrand Russell