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From: Felix Natter <>
To: "Gijs Hillenius" <>
Subject: Re: Mails not sent / not not appear in nnfolder+sent
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2023 21:03:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wn57g2xt.fsf@bitburger.home.felix> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <>

hello Gijs,

Gijs Hillenius <> writes:

> On 22 January 2023 16:32 Felix Natter, wrote:
>> hello Gnus experts,
>> I am using Gnus v5.13 / GNU Emacs 27.1 and for quite some time,
>> occasionally, some mails are not actually sent _and/or_ do not appear in the
>> sent-mails backend (nnfolder+sent:sent-mail.<year>-<month>).
>> That is, *maybe* they are sent, but do not end up in sent-mail-**.
>> I'm not sure I matched this correctly, but it seems this is a
>> problematic case in *Messages*:
>> Sending email
>> 250 Requested mail action okay, completed: id=1N1OXT-1oZnjj2sXb-012t77
>> Sending email done
>> 221 Service closing transmission channel
>> Sending...done
>> Deleting article /home/felix/News/drafts/drafts/190 in drafts...
>> Saving file /home/felix/.newsrc...
>> ... and this is a normal case:
>> Sending email
>> 250 Requested mail action okay, completed: id=1MQ5vW-1p6KQW3o2a-00M3AZ
>> Sending email done
>> 221 Service closing transmission channel
>> Saving file /home/felix/Mail/sent/sent-mail/2023-01...
>> Wrote /home/felix/Mail/sent/sent-mail/2023-01
>> Sending...done
>> Deleting article /home/felix/News/drafts/drafts/191 in drafts...
>> Saving file /home/felix/.newsrc...
>> How can I debug this / add additional logging?

thank you for your answer.

> Why are there messages here about drafts?

Do you refer to this?
>> Deleting article /home/felix/News/drafts/drafts/191 in drafts...

-> it deleted the draft message :)

> You have special GCC settings?

I do not think so. Here are all smtpmail settings:

;; sending mail: this requires a more recent (2005) version of smtpmail.el
;; (/usr/share/doc/gnus/contrib)
(require 'smtpmail)
(setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
      send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
      smtpmail-smtp-server ""
      smtpmail-local-domain nil
      smtpmail-debug-info t)
(setq smtpmail-debug-verb t)
(setq smtpmail-default-smtp-server "")
(setq smtpmail-auth-credentials '(("" 25 "USER" "SECRET")))
(setq smtpmail-starttls-credentials  '(("" 25 nil nil)))
;; this is still needed, even with STARTTLS
(setq smtpmail-smtp-service 25)

;; TLS stuff
;; use external GNUTLS to fix auth problems...
(setq starttls-use-gnutls t
      starttls-gnutls-program "gnutls-cli"
      starttls-extra-arguments nil)

Is there anything wrong with it?

I noticed that I loaded a custom smtpmail.el (see comment above), which
I exchanged with:

> Check if this gives you more info: 
> ; Debug Smtp
> (setq smtpmail-debug-info t)
> (setq smtpmail-debug-verb t)

I have added -verb t, but it does not seem to make a difference.( (there
is a trace buffer, but it does not contain more information than

It looks like the messages are sent, but not saved in the archive mbox

Any ideas would be appreciated!

Best Regards,
Felix Natter

  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-27 20:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-22 15:32 Felix Natter
2023-01-22 17:52 ` Gijs Hillenius
2023-01-27 20:03   ` Felix Natter [this message]
2023-01-27 22:23     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2023-02-04 12:39       ` Felix Natter
2023-03-20 12:51       ` Felix Natter
2023-03-21  0:52         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-03-21 10:06           ` Felix Natter
2023-03-21 13:19             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-23  7:10 ` Gijs Hillenius

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