From: Colin Baxter <m43cap@yandex.com>
To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>
Cc: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: gnus-extra-headers
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2021 15:39:29 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wnnwv1zy.fsf@yandex.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875yvhldf3.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Fri, 03 Sep 2021 11:30:40 -0700")
>>>>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
> Colin Baxter <m43cap@yandex.com> writes:
>> Hello Eric,
>>>>>>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>
>> > Colin Baxter <m43cap@yandex.com> writes: >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> If emacs (tested with 27.2 and 28.0.50) is launched with -Q
>> (or >> gnus-extra-headers has not been set explicitly by the
>> user) then >> the variable gnus-extra-headers has the value:
>> >>
>> >> gnus-extra-headers is a variable defined in ‘gnus-sum.el’.
>> Its >> value is (X-Diary-Time-Zone X-Diary-Dow X-Diary-Year >>
>> X-Diary-Month X-Diary-Dom X-Diary-Hour X-Diary-Minute To Cc >>
>> Keywords Gcc Newsgroups X-GM-LABELS) Original value was (To Cc >>
>> Keywords Gcc Newsgroups X-GM-LABELS)
>> >>
>> >> You can customize this variable.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This variable was introduced, or its default value was
>> changed, >> in version 25.1 of Emacs.
>> >>
>> >> Documentation: Extra headers to parse.
>> >>
>> >> The X-Diary settings seem to come from nndiary.el, but there
>> is >> nothing in the doc-string to indicate this.
>> >>
>> >> Is this a bug? Is not the "Original value" of
>> gnus-extra-headers >> incorrect?
>>
>> > I don't think it's really a bug. If you don't use the nndiary >
>> backend, those headers don't get added to `gnus-extra-headers', >
>> and it has its "original value" as noted in *Help*. I don't think
>> > there's any contract that says additional libraries can't >
>> manipulate the value of customization options... is there?
>>
>> True, but the user might suppose that using -Q ensures that no
>> extra libraries are loaded. I would have thought that nndiary
>> constitutes an extra library. If it does not and the library is
>> germane to -Q then why omit any mention of it from
>> gnus-extra-headers? I have quickly looked at NEWS for emacs-25.1
>> but found nothing relevant.
> If I start with "emacs -Q" and a minimal Gnus setup, the nndiary
> isn't loaded and its values aren't added to
> `gnus-extra-headers'. The odd thing is that in my usual Emacs/Gnus
> set up, those values _are_ added, and I don't use nndiary or
> gnus-diary.el. Hang on, let me force an error in there and see
> exactly what's loading it.
> Nope, I just restarted Emacs and Gnus, and did some other
> Org/Diary/Calendar stuff for good measure, and now nothing has
> triggered a load of 'nndiary, and the extra values aren't added.
> Obviously something, somewhere, eventually triggers that load in
> my setup, but it doesn't seem to happen by default. I'm quite
> ready to believe that something is loading 'nndiary when it
> doesn't need to, but so far I don't know what it is.
> Maybe you could give it a shot? Delete nndiary.elc, stick a call
> to (error) in nndiary.el,
How do I modify the file nndiary.el to achieve this?
> and restart everything?
What I do know is that if nndiary is not present (.el) and (.elc) then
gnus-extra-headers becomes (To Cc Keywords Gcc Newsgroups X-GM-LABELS).
Best wishes,
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-09-04 14:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-09-01 8:15 gnus-extra-headers Colin Baxter
2021-09-02 22:12 ` gnus-extra-headers Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-03 5:42 ` gnus-extra-headers Colin Baxter
2021-09-03 18:30 ` gnus-extra-headers Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-04 14:39 ` Colin Baxter [this message]
2021-09-04 15:15 ` gnus-extra-headers Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-05 8:36 ` gnus-extra-headers Colin Baxter
2021-09-06 3:31 ` gnus-extra-headers Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-06 7:14 ` gnus-extra-headers Colin Baxter
2021-09-06 8:37 ` gnus-extra-headers Colin Baxter
2021-09-06 16:15 ` gnus-extra-headers Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-06 16:29 ` gnus-extra-headers Colin Baxter
2021-09-06 17:39 ` gnus-extra-headers Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-06 19:33 ` gnus-extra-headers Colin Baxter
2021-09-06 17:16 ` gnus-extra-headers Stephen Berman
2021-09-06 18:40 ` gnus-extra-headers Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-07 5:53 ` gnus-extra-headers Colin Baxter
2021-09-07 18:56 ` gnus-extra-headers Eric Abrahamsen
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