From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/80947 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: bug#10238: R in gnus-summary does not pop a frame like F does Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:00:13 -0600 Organization: =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=A2=D0=B5=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=BE=D1=80_?= =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=97=D0=BB=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=B2?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87wr8fhloi.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87pqe8kbg1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83pqe823oj.fsf@gnu.org> <87vco0ivb1.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1327500118 12671 80.91.229.12 (25 Jan 2012 14:01:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 10238@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, Andreas Schwab , ding@gnus.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 25 15:01:53 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rq3Q7-0001WU-9s for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Wed, 25 Jan 2012 08:00:44 -0600 Original-Received: from tzlatanov-ubuntu-desktop.jumptrading.com ([10.2.27.110]) by internalsmtp.w2k.jumptrading.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jan 2012 08:00:43 -0600 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:30:49 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2012 14:00:43.0841 (UTC) FILETIME=[BAC4CB10:01CCDB69] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:55986 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80947 Archived-At: On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:30:49 -0500 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Andreas Schwab >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 10238@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, ding@gnus.org >> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:02:06 +0100 >> >> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> >> > We're talking about VCS commit messages, not docstrings. It's a >> > different context, and for VCS commits often there is information that >> > needs to be distilled into that first line and 80 chars are not enough. >> >> The summary line doesn't need to be precise. It should just give an >> informal overview of the change. EZ> 100% agreement. OK, but we're not talking about the destiny of the summary line in a VCS commit, but rather whether it should be limited to 80 chars. I think we should try to keep it under 80, and if it has to go over, the essential information should be before the 80th char. But forcing it to 80 will force us to write convoluted summaries that misrepresent the commit for the sake of saving a few characters. Please note we're talking about Gnus here, not Emacs. We could ask Yamaoka-san, who synchronizes Gnus into Emacs, to cut or rewrite long commit summary lines so they don't bother Emacs developers. But forcing the Gnus developers to use 80 chars in their own work seems too harsh. Ted