From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/76943 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general,gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Re: bug#8050: Gnus does not connect to my IMAP server any more Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:04:32 -0800 Message-ID: <87wrkx0wsf.fsf@gnus.org> References: <874o836dfv.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sjvn3a4u.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87aahu8a06.fsf@gnus.org> <874o81xfng.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1298070375 24738 80.91.229.12 (18 Feb 2011 23:06:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 23:06:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Ted Zlatanov Original-X-From: ding-owner+M25279@lists.math.uh.edu Sat Feb 19 00:06:11 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PqZOt-0003Pi-5S for ding-account@gmane.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:06:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PqZOe-00083S-FD; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:05:56 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PqZOc-000837-Bl for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:05:54 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PqZOX-00057l-Tr for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:05:54 -0600 Original-Received: from baybryj.net ([198.144.208.130] helo=lenovo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PqZOW-0006EZ-Rk for ding@gnus.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:05:49 +0100 Original-Received: from larsi by lenovo with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PqZOl-0007pI-6d; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:06:03 -0800 In-Reply-To: <874o81xfng.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:16:03 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:76943 gmane.emacs.bugs:44253 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > I *very much* care what goes into that file and want to see the exact > text. So find my proposal to accomodate normal and obsessive users > alike below :) I think this is like a debugging thing. Emacs shouldn't be a platform to debug the applications running in it. It should just run the applications. :-) As a user, I don't care, and I shouldn't care about what format the application stores the information in. So even putting that option in the prompt gives a bad User eXperience, in my opinion. It's just confusing. Displaying irrelevant info is almost as bad as not displaying info the user needs. (Note "user", not "implementer". :-) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen