From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/75208 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Streamlining first-time Gnus usage Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:35:05 -0600 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87wrn82z12.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87bp4pyvgd.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87r5dibc4f.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874oacwitu.fsf@nemi.mork.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1292600199 27248 80.91.229.12 (17 Dec 2010 15:36:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:36:39 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M23563@lists.math.uh.edu Fri Dec 17 16:36:35 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PTcM4-0002cK-W0 for ding-account@gmane.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:36:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PTcLe-0004bo-6e; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:35:58 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PTcLc-0004bc-UX for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:35:56 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTcLb-0001XF-Tq for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:35:56 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTcLZ-0005B7-PJ for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:35:53 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PTcLP-00023Z-LU for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:35:43 +0100 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:35:43 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:35:43 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 33 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ytzye37DCaft8DshQEggfBALPKM= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:75208 Archived-At: On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:54:37 +0100 Bjørn Mork wrote: BM> Steinar Bang writes: >> I started out with RMAIL as (almost) the first email client I used on a >> regular basis (there was a DECNet and an EARN client I had, but they >> were so inconvenient to get at, they never got out of the >> experimentation stage). BM> Lucky you. While living in a shoe box we had to use clients like elm, BM> eudora and even mr2ice. When finally moving to IMAP, the most modern BM> migrating tool I could find was formail(1). If you try to tell the kids BM> this today.... *cough* *hack* Right you are, Bjørn-iah, right you are. But you were lucky! I started reading e-mail on a VAX that crashed twice a day and took human sacrifices. Fortunately the random sort was broken so being a Zlatanov, I was safe. Then I used UCB mail (mailx today) on AIX and APPRECIATED what I had, and called it $HOME. There was no SCROLLBACK BUFFER. There were no ARROW KEYS. The $MAIL file got corrupted daily and we[1] LIKED it. And the sysadmin would read our mail, break our termcaps, steal our print quota, and make us go to bed EARLY by shutting down at 8 PM[2]. Ted [1] Boston University class of 1997 [2] BOFH SIG president for two years in a row until he got electrocuted by his successor