From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/63945 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Zlatko Calusic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Please, we need a header back, soon! 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Tibbitts, III's message of "09 Nov 2006 10:02:02 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.0.90 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:63945 Archived-At: Jason L Tibbitts III writes: >>>>>> "ZC" == Zlatko Calusic writes: > > ZC> Somehow, I always presume that list owner must be on the list, but > ZC> of course it's not always true. Not even common these days. > > I am on the list, but I don't necessarily read it every day. I read > owner mail several times daily. Sure. > > ZC> While I don't see that header yet (for example in your message), > > Of course you won't see that header if you're reading the CC I sent > you, since the message didn't go through the list. Yes, that one has also been resolved. > > ZC> Actually, you can use whatever header you want, it's just my > ZC> opinion that one such header MUST exist. > > Obviously the envelope sender has to exist and be somewhat stable; > otherwise the list would never receive bounces. So you can always > filter on that, regardless of what headers may or may not be added by > the mailing list software. > I don't know why, but I don't like that one either. I'm beggining to see the pattern here. ;) Let me then explain my opinions, mailing lists are some kind of entities for me, entities that could be described with few characters or words. For example one line "List-Header: I'm ding, I rule the world!". Then, when you have such a line (and keep it with the list at all times) you can do whatever you want to the list, you can easily relocate it, move it to the other domain etc... it's the SAME list although you've just changed envelope from, received, sender, to, cc and who knows what other headers. But my splitting keeps working. ;) Yes, it's too much philosophy for today. :) -- Zlatko