From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/57717 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Pittman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: spam.el reporting and moving ham out of spam groups. Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:41:31 +1000 Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: <87wu2zkdfo.fsf@enki.rimspace.net> References: <8765akfxxt.fsf@enki.rimspace.net> <86u0y4a90d.fsf@rumba.de.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1085547757 23315 80.91.224.253 (26 May 2004 05:02:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 05:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M6257@lists.math.uh.edu Wed May 26 07:02:29 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BSqYe-0004rJ-00 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 07:02:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BSqXX-00055a-00; Wed, 26 May 2004 00:01:19 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BSqXT-00055V-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 26 May 2004 00:01:15 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSqXS-0007s5-9z for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 26 May 2004 00:01:14 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4AA3A0218 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 00:01:13 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BSqXP-0000FE-00 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 07:01:11 +0200 Original-Received: from 203-217-29-45.perm.iinet.net.au ([203.217.29.45]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 07:01:11 +0200 Original-Received: from daniel by 203-217-29-45.perm.iinet.net.au with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 07:01:11 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 40 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 203-217-29-45.perm.iinet.net.au User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:fnqnICHGZFekAgIVGrDh7egVA7s= Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57717 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57717 On 26 May 2004, Kai Grossjohann wrote: > Daniel Pittman writes: > >> Everything else will be killed or marked read, then total-expired. >> I would rather *not* give everything the spam mark on entry either, >> since I use score files to really obvious stuff as read. > > I don't understand the last sentence. What is the problem about > having everything get the spam mark? Anything with the spam mark is fed to the spam processor on group exit, which isn't desirable but can be worked around. Using the spam mark is very visually distinctive, overriding the reduced score, etc, visual display. While desirable elsewhere, I don't want it here. Adding the spam mark to articles overrides any other mark, such as Y, then was assigned by the scoring process, etc. > Hm. Perhaps you can use splitting to move the really really obvious > spam into one group, and the just-normal suspected spam into another > group? The maintenance cost of that would be very high. I would need to manually edit split rules to add a new "this is spam" indication, rather than L s s t -ing it. The SpamAssassin score is not reliable enough an indicator - this is the content that was ambiguous enough that I need to check for false positives. Daniel Sure, call me lazy, but it has worked to date. :) -- The two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are, first, the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it. -- Edward Dowling