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Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:

> I enabled the blackhole check by default in spam.el
> (spam-use-blackholes).  Does anyone think it should be off by
> default?

Yes.  blackhole lists seem to die relatively frequently when compared
to the useful lifetime of a stable emacs distribution.  This makes it
likely that the list would be out of date soon after emacs shipped.
There is a precedent for a defunct list being changed to always return
"yes" to all SPAM queries (to try to get people to quit using it),
which would compound the problem.

The result would be that everybody would have to change the default to
get things to work (bad), rather than changing from the default to get
extra features (good).

E.g. default spam-blackhole-servers has rbl.maps.vix.com which is
defunct (according to http://mail-abuse.org/rbl/usage.html).