* any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? @ 2001-11-25 19:55 Steinar Bang 2001-11-26 4:21 ` Stainless Steel Rat 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Steinar Bang @ 2001-11-25 19:55 UTC (permalink / raw) Platform: GNU Emacs 20.7.2, Oort Gnus v0.04 (CVS update from october 6) using the nnimap and nntp backends, with Gnus agent, Intel P133, debian woody linux w/the 2.2.19 kernel I'm running Gnus inside of GNU emacs under linux and XFree86, on what today is a small machine: P133 with 24 MB of RAM (top reports 22724k total. Presumably the rest of the memory is taken by the kernel). My problem is that things start to get slow when the size of the emacs process approaches the size of the physical memory, and the system starts paging at the drop of a hat. What drives memory consumption up to this level is in my case, opening the newsgroup no.alt.motorsykler. In this group I have ticked some old articles, and since I'm using the agent they never expire. The group has a lot of traffic, which means that Gnus have fill in all the empty space between the article numbers when opening the group. In addition I do a lot of scoring in this group. I guess the followup scoring of some persons really add to the cost. I also do adaptive scoring based on reading, and deleting of articles. Is there anything I can try to keep the size of the Emacs process down? Stay completely away from groups with sparse article numbers? Stay away from adaptive/followup scoring? Or are there some variables I could try tuning to keep the memory usage down? - Steinar ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-25 19:55 any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? Steinar Bang @ 2001-11-26 4:21 ` Stainless Steel Rat 2001-11-26 21:57 ` Steinar Bang 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Stainless Steel Rat @ 2001-11-26 4:21 UTC (permalink / raw) * Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> on Sun, 25 Nov 2001 | I'm running Gnus inside of GNU emacs under linux and XFree86, on what | today is a small machine: P133 with 24 MB of RAM (top reports 22724k | total. Presumably the rest of the memory is taken by the kernel). You have barely enough memory for the X server, and not nearly enough for X and Emacs. Either don't run X, or add memory to the machine. -- Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> \ Do not use Happy Fun Ball on concrete. Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ That and five bucks will get you a small coffee at Starbucks. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-26 4:21 ` Stainless Steel Rat @ 2001-11-26 21:57 ` Steinar Bang 2001-11-26 22:45 ` Karl Kleinpaste ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Steinar Bang @ 2001-11-26 21:57 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>: > You have barely enough memory for the X server, and not nearly > enough for X and Emacs. Running KDE or Gnome is out, but the X server itself isn't all that much of a hog. And I'm using icewm as the WM, which uses only around 800k. No problem at all running X and emacs without swapping... until I've used Gnus to visit one of the newsgroups that makes the emacs process size ballon. The two big culprits, according to top, are emacs/Gnus (after visiting one of the problem groups), and opera. I'll try out galeon when it moves out of debian unstable, and into testing. But I don't really have a replacement candidate for Gnus. I'll also try out the 2.4-series to see if the VM is more efficient. > Either don't run X, or add memory to the machine. This machine is just a hobby machine. I don't know if more memory is even available from anywhere for old DEC laptops. In any case it is a matter of pride to make linux run faster, and work better, than Win95 did on the same machine. Adding memory would be cheating. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-26 21:57 ` Steinar Bang @ 2001-11-26 22:45 ` Karl Kleinpaste 2001-11-27 3:29 ` Stainless Steel Rat ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Karl Kleinpaste @ 2001-11-26 22:45 UTC (permalink / raw) Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes: > No problem at all running X and emacs without swapping... until I've > used Gnus to visit one of the newsgroups that makes the emacs process > size ballon. You might check on your settings of things like gnus-fetch-old-headers and gnus-build-sparse-threads. Using apropos (I have XEmacs with hyper-apropos) to look at all the gnus.*header and gnus.*thread possibilities is probably a good idea. > In any case it is a matter of pride to make linux run faster, and work > better, than Win95 did on the same machine. Adding memory would be > cheating. :-) My poor old 486dx4/100 laptop has only 20M, and I've nearly given up on X entirely. Without ever using anything so complex as Gnus, it swaps merely by moving the mouse between xterms and XEmacs. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-26 21:57 ` Steinar Bang 2001-11-26 22:45 ` Karl Kleinpaste @ 2001-11-27 3:29 ` Stainless Steel Rat 2001-11-27 12:38 ` Daniel Pittman 2001-11-27 14:11 ` news 3 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Stainless Steel Rat @ 2001-11-27 3:29 UTC (permalink / raw) * Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> on Mon, 26 Nov 2001 | In any case it is a matter of pride to make linux run faster, and work | better, than Win95 did on the same machine. Adding memory would be | cheating. If you -did- run Emacs and Gnus on the same machine with Windows 95, it would thrash greatly. Believe me. I wrote pop3.el on a Windows 95 notebook, a 50MHz 486 with 12MB physical memory. That was about five years ago, before Gnus got big :). If you -really- want to trim it down that badly, fall back to Emacs 19 or XEmacs 20 compiled without any features. That should get your Emacs footprint down to around 10-15MB. Course, you won't have all the new stuff, but it -is- the new stuff that is gobbling up memory. -- Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> \ If Happy Fun Ball begins to smoke, get Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ away immediately. Seek shelter and cover PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ head. That and five bucks will get you a small coffee at Starbucks. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-26 21:57 ` Steinar Bang 2001-11-26 22:45 ` Karl Kleinpaste 2001-11-27 3:29 ` Stainless Steel Rat @ 2001-11-27 12:38 ` Daniel Pittman 2001-11-27 14:11 ` news 3 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Daniel Pittman @ 2001-11-27 12:38 UTC (permalink / raw) On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Steinar Bang wrote: >>>>>> Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>: > >> You have barely enough memory for the X server, and not nearly >> enough for X and Emacs. > > Running KDE or Gnome is out, but the X server itself isn't all that > much of a hog. And I'm using icewm as the WM, which uses only around > 800k. Quite. X, contrary to rumors, is rather light-weight. I happily ran it on my P-133 with 24MB of ram for an awful while. :) > No problem at all running X and emacs without swapping... until I've > used Gnus to visit one of the newsgroups that makes the emacs process > size ballon. > > The two big culprits, according to top, are emacs/Gnus (after visiting > one of the problem groups), and opera. The best I ever found for keeping the size of the Emacs process that was running stuff down was to keep Gnus distinct from my standard Emacs[1], to ensure that W3 was *not* available under Gnus, and to make sure I never kept ticked articles lying around for long. Oh, and I had fairly small groups at the time, though that doesn't seem to have made that much difference... > I'll try out galeon when it moves out of debian unstable, and into > testing. I doubt that you will be happy; this is a very light session: 3633 daniel 9 0 45040 41M 18224 S 0 0.0 14.5 2:59 galeon-bin 3638 daniel 9 0 45040 41M 18224 S 0 0.0 14.5 0:00 galeon-bin 3639 daniel 9 0 45040 41M 18224 S 0 0.0 14.5 0:04 galeon-bin 3640 daniel 9 0 45040 41M 18224 S 0 0.0 14.5 0:00 galeon-bin 4788 daniel 9 0 45040 41M 18224 S 0 0.0 14.5 0:00 galeon-bin 6786 daniel 9 0 45040 41M 18224 S 0 0.0 14.5 0:00 galeon-bin That's not exactly a light-weight browser, and it bloats relatively fast. > But I don't really have a replacement candidate for Gnus. I never met anything better. :0 > I'll also try out the 2.4-series to see if the VM is more efficient. It's a heavier footprint than 2.2 but 2.4.16-pre1 and close to that are fairly good. They swap sooner, feel decent interactively and don't have too many harsh edges. Daniel Footnotes: [1] I did this briefly, but stopped for the lack of integration. -- There is no female mind. The brain is not an organ of sex. As well to speak of a female liver. -- Charlette Perkins Gilman, _Women and Economics_ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-26 21:57 ` Steinar Bang ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2001-11-27 12:38 ` Daniel Pittman @ 2001-11-27 14:11 ` news 2001-11-27 14:27 ` luis fernandes 2001-11-27 19:13 ` Stainless Steel Rat 3 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: news @ 2001-11-27 14:11 UTC (permalink / raw) Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes: > Running KDE or Gnome is out, but the X server itself isn't all that > much of a hog. And I'm using icewm as the WM, which uses only around > 800k. What's the smallest WM? Chris ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-27 14:11 ` news @ 2001-11-27 14:27 ` luis fernandes 2001-11-27 16:24 ` news 2001-11-27 19:13 ` Stainless Steel Rat 1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: luis fernandes @ 2001-11-27 14:27 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding 9wm. The look-alike to 9 1/2, which is the wm for Plan 9. (The compressed shar file is 29857 bytes.) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-27 14:27 ` luis fernandes @ 2001-11-27 16:24 ` news 2001-11-27 16:56 ` Kai Großjohann 2001-11-27 20:28 ` news 0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: news @ 2001-11-27 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw) luis fernandes <elf@ee.ryerson.ca> writes: > 9wm. The look-alike to 9 1/2, which is the wm for Plan 9. > > (The compressed shar file is 29857 bytes.) Thanks. Here are some other small ones I've found after looking today: wm name tar.gz size ----------------------------- wm2 32807 heliwm 19785 flwm 61000 aewm 29811 larswm 61257 w9wm 25000 Which ones have good mouseless operation? (larswm seems to have this, but it isn't soo small.) Chris ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-27 16:24 ` news @ 2001-11-27 16:56 ` Kai Großjohann 2001-11-27 20:28 ` news 1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2001-11-27 16:56 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding (Chris Beggy ) news@kippona.com writes: > Which ones have good mouseless operation? (larswm seems to have > this, but it isn't soo small.) Ion provides good mouseless operation, but is larger even than larswm. kai -- Simplification good! Oversimplification bad! (Larry Wall) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-27 16:24 ` news 2001-11-27 16:56 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2001-11-27 20:28 ` news 1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: news @ 2001-11-27 20:28 UTC (permalink / raw) (Chris Beggy ) news@kippona.com writes: > luis fernandes <elf@ee.ryerson.ca> writes: > >> 9wm. The look-alike to 9 1/2, which is the wm for Plan 9. >> >> (The compressed shar file is 29857 bytes.) > > Thanks. Here are some other small ones I've found after looking > today: Here are some small ones (listed with the output of size) I installed today: text data bss dec hex filename 14241 572 132 14945 3a61 aewm 6028 416 2736 9180 23dc xaw-palette (part of aewm) 2852 316 2700 5868 16ec xaw-panel(part of aewm) 2970 316 2712 5998 176e xaw-switch(part of aewm) 24615 2304 348 27267 6a83 w9wm 62936 736 11844 75516 126fc larswm 61977 13068 432 75477 126d5 wm2 16187 584 436 17207 4337 heliwm I couldn't get heliwm launched with xinit, which was disappointing. It doesn't require any pointing device at all, and that interests me. The others were interesting, with w9wm having good mouseless behavior. (C-TAB to cycle through, raise, and focus to windows.) 9wm is missing from this table because its ftp site was down. Chris ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-27 14:11 ` news 2001-11-27 14:27 ` luis fernandes @ 2001-11-27 19:13 ` Stainless Steel Rat 2001-11-27 19:30 ` luis fernandes ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Stainless Steel Rat @ 2001-11-27 19:13 UTC (permalink / raw) * (Chris Beggy ) news@kippona.com on Tue, 27 Nov 2001 | What's the smallest WM? No window manager at all. Have your .xsession or .xinitrc open up whatever clients you need, specifiying geometry and location as required to avoid overlapping windows. -- Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> \ Happy Fun Ball contains a liquid core, Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ which, if exposed due to rupture, should PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ not be touched, inhaled, or looked at. That and five bucks will get you a small coffee at Starbucks. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-27 19:13 ` Stainless Steel Rat @ 2001-11-27 19:30 ` luis fernandes 2001-11-27 19:37 ` Robin S. Socha 2001-11-27 19:40 ` Paul Jarc 2001-11-30 13:51 ` news 2 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: luis fernandes @ 2001-11-27 19:30 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "Rat" == Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes: Rat> * (Chris Beggy ) news@kippona.com on Tue, 27 Nov 2001 | Rat> What's the smallest WM? Rat> No window manager at all. That's a good idea; just start a full-screen Emacs from your ~/.xsession ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-27 19:30 ` luis fernandes @ 2001-11-27 19:37 ` Robin S. Socha 2001-11-27 20:06 ` luis fernandes 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Robin S. Socha @ 2001-11-27 19:37 UTC (permalink / raw) * luis fernandes <elf@ee.ryerson.ca> writes: > Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes: >> (Chris Beggy ) news@kippona.com on Tue, 27 Nov 2001 >>> What's the smallest WM? >> No window manager at all. > That's a good idea; just start a full-screen Emacs from your ~/.xsession http://www.students.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-27 19:37 ` Robin S. Socha @ 2001-11-27 20:06 ` luis fernandes 2001-11-27 21:50 ` news 2001-11-28 23:02 ` Steinar Bang 0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: luis fernandes @ 2001-11-27 20:06 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "robin" == Robin S Socha <robin-dated-1007148969.21ca13@socha.net> writes: robin> http://www.students.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/ Ummm....more like: http://ratpoison.sourceforge.net/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-27 20:06 ` luis fernandes @ 2001-11-27 21:50 ` news 2001-11-28 23:02 ` Steinar Bang 1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: news @ 2001-11-27 21:50 UTC (permalink / raw) luis fernandes <elf@ee.ryerson.ca> writes: > http://ratpoison.sourceforge.net/ Thanks for this link! /ratpoison/ is really good from my emacs-user point of view. I get most of the eye candy I need from my emacs fonts and xfonts. It also seems to use video memory very well, as well as screen real-estate ( I'm on a laptop a lot.) Remote X sessions and multiple emacs frames are handled correctly. Chris ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-27 20:06 ` luis fernandes 2001-11-27 21:50 ` news @ 2001-11-28 23:02 ` Steinar Bang 2001-11-29 8:33 ` Kai Großjohann 1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Steinar Bang @ 2001-11-28 23:02 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> luis fernandes <elf@ee.ryerson.ca>: >>>>> Robin S Socha <robin-dated-1007148969.21ca13@socha.net> writes: >> http://www.students.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/ > Ummm....more like: > http://ratpoison.sourceforge.net/ In debian woody, it was easy to try them out: apt-get install ion ratpoison installed them, and made them available as KDM alternatives. First impression of ratpoison: I never got anything to happend with any of the commands listed in the man page. I eventually crashed out of the session, and back into KDM, but with the display trashed and no cursor, and no response from Ctrl-Alt-Fx for switching between virtual consoles. I logged in from a different machine and first tried restarting KDM, which made no difference (ie. still trashed screen, and still no cursor, and still frozen keyboard). I stopped KDM, but the display was still the frozen KDM display. I did a halt on the machine, which cut the connection to the other machine, but didn't change the display. I turned the power off, and then back on, and the laptop booted normally. I think ratpoison is probably not for me...:-) First impression of ion: spartan, but the commands I needed were simple and easy to remember (F3, F12, M-k n, M-k p). I'm running ion right now, with an emacs, a top running in an xterm, and opera. The advantages for me with this approach, compared to just running emacs in a virtual console, are: - things look better - the keyboard commands to emacs work better here than in the virtual console - I can click on a URL to have it opened in opera. One problem here, is that instead of being displayed in an existing opera process, like it happens in icewm, a new opera process is started when I click on a link Disadvantages: - no clock always on screen like icewm, and KDE has - no load indicator always on screen like icewm has ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-28 23:02 ` Steinar Bang @ 2001-11-29 8:33 ` Kai Großjohann 2001-11-29 14:30 ` news 2001-12-01 9:59 ` Steinar Bang 0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2001-11-29 8:33 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes: > Disadvantages: > - no clock always on screen like icewm, and KDE has > - no load indicator always on screen like icewm has On the Ion list, some patches have been circulating which allow you to reserve a strip of the screen for something else, such as a KDE panel, or a Gnome panel. kai -- Simplification good! Oversimplification bad! (Larry Wall) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-29 8:33 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2001-11-29 14:30 ` news 2001-12-01 9:59 ` Steinar Bang 1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: news @ 2001-11-29 14:30 UTC (permalink / raw) Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes: > On the Ion list, some patches have been circulating which allow you I compiled, installed, evaluated and took a look at the output of ls -l and size for some of the small window managers: size name comment -------------------------------------------------------------------- 17232 aewm* simple, few knobs, plug-ins for menus 1293351 blackbox* not really small, coffemaker 187976 fvwm2* supports mouseless 119812 fvwm95* supports mouseless 18968 heliwm* couldn't get it to launch an xterm, my bad 66496 larswm* tiling, good mouseless, documentation 23668 lwm* simple 57819 ratpoison* max screen use, emacs-like, good mouseless 127332 twm* classic 29436 w9wm* virtual screens, not mouseless 165757 wm2* excellent aesthetics, not mouseless 672256 wmx* wm2 aesthetics, virtuals, good mouseless text data bss dec hex filename ------------------------------------------------ 14241 572 132 14945 3a61 aewm 160897 26996 336 188229 2df45 blackbox 178635 4456 12096 195187 2fa73 fvwm2 112149 3024 2916 118089 1cd49 fvwm95 16187 584 436 17207 4337 heliwm 62936 736 11844 75516 126fc larswm 20160 832 152 21144 5298 lwm 33919 1216 448 35583 8aff ratpoison 118911 5080 82484 206475 3268b twm 24615 2304 348 27267 6a83 w9wm 61977 13068 432 75477 126d5 wm2 92111 14720 188 107019 1a20b wmx I don't understand why wm2 is so large, given that its feature set is similar to aewm or lwm. I'm interested in making best use of a small laptop screen, mouseless navigation, freeing up resources for emacs :-) Chris ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-29 8:33 ` Kai Großjohann 2001-11-29 14:30 ` news @ 2001-12-01 9:59 ` Steinar Bang 1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Steinar Bang @ 2001-12-01 9:59 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann): > Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes: >> Disadvantages: >> - no clock always on screen like icewm, and KDE has >> - no load indicator always on screen like icewm has > On the Ion list, some patches have been circulating which allow you > to reserve a strip of the screen for something else, such as a KDE > panel, or a Gnome panel. I'm afraid apt-get has turned me away from downloading, patching and building. :-) Gnus is the only package I use that lives from the CVS checkout. But I put this in my ~/.emacs, and it takes me part of the way: (setq display-time-24hr-format t) (setq display-time-day-and-date t) (display-time) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-27 19:13 ` Stainless Steel Rat 2001-11-27 19:30 ` luis fernandes @ 2001-11-27 19:40 ` Paul Jarc 2001-11-30 23:19 ` Kevin Ryde 2001-11-30 13:51 ` news 2 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Paul Jarc @ 2001-11-27 19:40 UTC (permalink / raw) Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> wrote: > * (Chris Beggy ) news@kippona.com on Tue, 27 Nov 2001 >| What's the smallest WM? > > No window manager at all. Have your .xsession or .xinitrc open up whatever > clients you need, specifiying geometry and location as required to avoid > overlapping windows. Now you've got me wondering about the possibility of just having a set of shell commands to run out of an xterm to raise/lower windows, etc. Hmm. paul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-27 19:40 ` Paul Jarc @ 2001-11-30 23:19 ` Kevin Ryde 0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Kevin Ryde @ 2001-11-30 23:19 UTC (permalink / raw) prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) writes: > > Now you've got me wondering about the possibility of just having a set > of shell commands to run out of an xterm to raise/lower windows, etc. > Hmm. "xwit" does a few such things, apparently it lives in ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/utilities except that seems inaccessible right at this moment. Also in a Debian package http://packages.debian.org/xwit Of course a real man would just netcat straight to localhost:6000 :-). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-27 19:13 ` Stainless Steel Rat 2001-11-27 19:30 ` luis fernandes 2001-11-27 19:40 ` Paul Jarc @ 2001-11-30 13:51 ` news 2001-11-30 16:58 ` Stainless Steel Rat 2 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: news @ 2001-11-30 13:51 UTC (permalink / raw) Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes: > * (Chris Beggy ) news@kippona.com on Tue, 27 Nov 2001 > | What's the smallest WM? > > No window manager at all. Have your .xsession or .xinitrc open up whatever > clients you need, specifiying geometry and location as required to avoid > overlapping windows. Thanks. This works well. I know I can maximize with the right -geometry options at launch or the right set-frame-height,width settings in .emacs. Is there any way to auto-maximize, and have emacs occupy the whole screen regardless of screen size? Or is that one of the services of a window manager? Chris ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: any tips for how to tune Gnus/emacs for low memory usage? 2001-11-30 13:51 ` news @ 2001-11-30 16:58 ` Stainless Steel Rat 0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Stainless Steel Rat @ 2001-11-30 16:58 UTC (permalink / raw) * (Chris Beggy ) news@kippona.com on Fri, 30 Nov 2001 | Is there any way to auto-maximize, and have emacs occupy the | whole screen regardless of screen size? Or is that one of the | services of a window manager? Client windows have geometries. Minimize/maximize is a window manager function. -- Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> \ Do not use Happy Fun Ball on concrete. Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ That and five bucks will get you a small coffee at Starbucks. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
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