From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/40354 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Matt Armstrong" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: setting message-use-mail-followup-to for some groups only Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:56:59 -0700 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <87wv0ql16c.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> References: <6upu6kqg88.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87vggbvmsv.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> <6u7ksrt8nh.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87668abt1o.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> <87y9l6k2oy.fsf@mclinux.com> <877ksqo19r.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035175918 449 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 04:51:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 04:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 2588 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2001 00:00:01 -0000 Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu (129.7.128.13) by mastaler.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2001 00:00:01 -0000 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 164srQ-0004dL-00; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:57:28 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:57:12 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA10668 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:57:00 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 2512 invoked by alias); 16 Nov 2001 23:57:05 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 2507 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2001 23:57:05 -0000 Original-Received: from hank.lickey.com (sigsegv@64.81.100.235) by gnus.org with SMTP; 16 Nov 2001 23:57:05 -0000 Original-Received: from squeaker.lickey.com (squeaker.lickey.com [192.168.100.10]) by hank.lickey.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D51EE2B for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:57:03 -0700 (MST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by squeaker.lickey.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1464BFBB for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:57:02 -0700 (MST) Original-Received: by squeaker.lickey.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BDB53BF95; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:57:01 -0700 (MST) Mail-Copies-To: never Original-To: ding@gnus.org Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: (prj@po.cwru.edu's message of "Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:33:03 -0500") Original-Lines: 34 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090004 (Oort Gnus v0.04) Emacs/21.1 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA v0.41/Python 1.5.2 (linux2) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:40354 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:40354 prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) writes: > "Matt Armstrong" wrote: >> prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) writes: >>> One common way it can be set badly: A sends a message to the list >>> with no MFT. B sends a followup and doesn't bother removing A's >>> address. B's mailer generates MFT pointing to A and the list. This >>> will become less common as more mailers support MFT in outgoing >>> messages. >> >> Is worth noting that for lists that allow posts from anyone (such as >> ding@gnus.org), B is actually doing the right thing here. > > Well, B's mailer is doing the right thing. B could be said to be > doing the right thing if ey don't know whether A is subscribed, or > the wrong thing if ey knows that A is subscribed. The lack of MFT > could mean that the sender wants a copy, or just that the sender > doesn't know about MFT. So some human intelligence is appropriate > where available. I see what you're saying. I'll point out that if you want to be nice, you're probably already using this human intelligence to cull known list members from the To: and Cc: headers of your replies anyway. This has the nice side effect of removing them from the MFT headers your MUA subsequently generates. As a side note, I vaguely recall that majordomo 2 is smart enough to cull known list members from the To: and Cc: lists of list mail. It could do the same for MFT. -- matt Piki, you handsome cat, rest in peace http://www.lickey.com/piki/