From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 23840 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2021 16:29:27 -0000 Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu (129.7.128.32) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 6 Sep 2021 16:29:27 -0000 Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.208]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNHUr-00G8yT-3z for ml@inbox.vuxu.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 11:29:25 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1mNHUq-002JcU-IH for ml@inbox.vuxu.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 11:29:24 -0500 Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1mNHUp-002JcO-8Z for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 11:29:23 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1mNHUm-006VkL-LE for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 11:29:22 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=YVbvgxDqqs5xMW6EPL2JF3ObQN9abdObhjLAG0jifQA=; b=mxOsJclQdciVPt/FDBY1mtQsGY u1zQDRS7+vUY26LnqWPI9zQT9LoVFBzAAEYNDfDIJKU1/lxfhz9GqpVSf87wCYp2uqcWTpiID/bcd xvZX26U9Ye+MQ68ZrBp+wBWYAEtPnrD54lPh2c8VVgnqqIPk2lJM2+1ks/44BJFyZZ9o=; Received: from forward107j.mail.yandex.net ([2a02:6b8:0:801:2::252]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mNHUf-0003Pz-Bf for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 18:29:16 +0200 Received: from vla1-41795c1f28f7.qloud-c.yandex.net (vla1-41795c1f28f7.qloud-c.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c0d:4015:0:640:4179:5c1f]) by forward107j.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id B4B9188461A; Mon, 6 Sep 2021 19:29:07 +0300 (MSK) Received: from vla5-445dc1c4c112.qloud-c.yandex.net (vla5-445dc1c4c112.qloud-c.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:c18:3609:0:640:445d:c1c4]) by vla1-41795c1f28f7.qloud-c.yandex.net (mxback/Yandex) with ESMTP id gOIVd5beWx-T7E8u4qL; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 19:29:07 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1630945747; bh=YVbvgxDqqs5xMW6EPL2JF3ObQN9abdObhjLAG0jifQA=; h=In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:References:To:From:Message-ID:Cc:Cc; b=Yaz8US0rjx0l0/4QTbrLMEVyEuNBX5mc0sW9n5hxHZU9xyE+lU1NsmEH7M6DF2IL3 gXTWfr0Lw6e9dBDPemEmypuxUs+RHYQSURXMB/DawzwlwM2Mr8gzoKjfuje2r6tNRx orz00ncDG3MzrKNWYjiIu9qM8BYwRRhCubXF0hAA= Authentication-Results: vla1-41795c1f28f7.qloud-c.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com Received: by vla5-445dc1c4c112.qloud-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id 3VlQ9c8srU-T6NKNMG4; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 19:29:06 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) From: Colin Baxter To: Eric Abrahamsen Cc: ding@gnus.org Cc: Subject: Re: gnus-extra-headers References: <87sfyohftb.fsf@yandex.com> <87sfymy6ck.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87y28e6wr1.fsf@yandex.com> <875yvhldf3.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87wnnwv1zy.fsf@yandex.com> <87wnnwid8l.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bl57to59.fsf@yandex.com> <87sfyiidmf.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87lf4atbu0.fsf@yandex.com> <87h7eyt7zo.fsf@yandex.com> <87lf49istf.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> X-Face: BHjiJOg/Qmj'BQgsAKL@])L)e62P)C"Y=6T X-Message-My-Extra-Message: 8-) We are the only ones here =?utf-8?B?8J+YuiDwn5i6IPCfmLo=?= Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2021 17:29:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87lf49istf.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Mon, 06 Sep 2021 09:15:24 -0700") Message-ID: <87y2894qi7.fsf@yandex.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAEkAAAATAgMAAAChCMjeAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAACVBMVEX/zAABCWP///8I RHjYAAAAAWJLR0QCZgt8ZAAAAAlwSFlzAAALEwAACxMBAJqcGAAAAAd0SU1FB+UFEAk5BvqS634A AAAbSURBVBjTY2BgCA1hYA0FAxDDgQEERsXoIAYA2F9Eb3cpB+AAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRl ADIwMjEtMDUtMTZUMTA6NTY6MTcrMDE6MDCh/kkpAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTA1 LTE2VDA5OjU3OjA2KzAxOjAwTyZ6HwAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain List-ID: Precedence: bulk >>>>> Eric Abrahamsen writes: > Colin Baxter writes: >> 1. Remove all ~/.gnus.el and related files from system. 2. >> emacs-28.0.50 -Q 3. C-h load-history 4. Search for >> loaded gnus libraries. 5. 2 matches for "gnus" in buffer: >> *Help* 3994: (defun . gnus-batch-kill) 3995: (defun >> . gnus-set-sorted-intersection) No nndiary loaded. 6. C-h >> gnus-extra-headers 7. (X-Diary-Time-Zone X-Diary-Dow >> X-Diary-Year X-Diary-Month X-Diary-Dom X-Diary-Hour >> X-Diary-Minute To Cc Keywords Gcc Newsgroups X-GM-LABELS) >> Original value was (To Cc Keywords Gcc Newsgroups X-GM-LABELS) 8. >> C-h load-history 9. Search for loaded gnus libraries. >> 10. 4874 matches in 3654 lines for "gnus" in buffer: *Help* 94 >> matches in 65 lines for "nndiary" in buffer: *Help* >> >> >> It appears that finding the value of gnus-extra-headers by means >> of C-h loads various gnus and nndiary libraries. We cannot find >> the "original value" of gnus-extra-headers because we cannot >> avoid loading nndiary libraries. >> >> Is this expected? > No, none of that is expected, and it's not what I see here. Doing > C-h v gnus-extra-headers does load a bunch of Gnus files, but not > nndiary, and the value of the option doesn't change. > And the fact that putting a call to (error) (actually, it should > have been called with a string argument, but the effect is the > same) in nndiary.el doesn't actually raise an error and give you a > traceback means that you're not loading that file at all. Are > there are multiple Emacs installations on your machine? Yes, all installed locally under $HOME: 1. ~/local/bin/emacs-27.1 (GTK) 2. ~/local/bin/emacs-27.2 (GTK) 3. ~/local/opt/emacs-lucid/bin/emacs-27.1 (lucid) 4. ~/local/opt/emacs-lucid/bin/emacs-27.2 (lucid) 5. ~/git/emacs/src/emacs (GTK)