From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 12706 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2020 03:02:24 -0000 Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu (129.7.128.208) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 20 Aug 2020 03:02:24 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1k8aqK-008ZPG-Rg; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:02:20 -0500 Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1k8aqH-008ZNO-8p for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:02:17 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1k8aqF-00DxBt-IB for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:02:16 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Kone3DsvLWj+47Z1MsljuwdlbXqXS8xcs8uJXXxewbE=; b=o+TE9oV2f5eVv4bvHQ4qbOvQ2f x9CqimdHbtEmMNxGvbiie3f0nwfh+mjbT6CFdUwQXH/8oSt5vAQW5lX5ESPjjTpflWtACUjQwwbx/ L58rm+0znemEW6IHVn3QGfpW28xEYg0bffkPbPPTSJeuqr4UGg93jPMlQJR3BfkmiQJY=; Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18] helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by quimby with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k8aq7-0006g2-4Z for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 05:02:10 +0200 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E4130FA18F; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 03:02:04 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1597892525; bh=Kone3DsvLWj+47Z1MsljuwdlbXqXS8xcs8uJXXxewbE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=c/XavHT+FvcoanQKLrzRC2z8bh11fpnvBBrApfhrHnjG+RSAcuemJwTjK+mb69gL7 OYOgPOAv/bs3qxtYIfztA4/xY2vGZ1xUULTSLqkKil5G9v40aYjHneJpeW85wGN5De JuTuCRdrAZYCy1e6rk4Eae7xDhzi0ZWsZrCv1hoI= From: Eric Abrahamsen To: Rafi Khan Cc: ding@gnus.org Subject: Re: on a buffer performance test on GNU EMACS 28 References: <861rk7xs1n.fsf@protonmail.com> <871rk6ijxu.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <86eeo57wly.fsf@protonmail.com> <86tuwzz936.fsf@protonmail.com> <878sead2ih.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <86364i2gzl.fsf@rafikhan.io> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 20:02:03 -0700 In-Reply-To: <86364i2gzl.fsf@rafikhan.io> (Rafi Khan's message of "Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:22:54 -0400") Message-ID: <87y2ma9g0k.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain List-ID: Precedence: bulk On 08/19/20 22:22 PM, Rafi Khan wrote: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: >> To my embarrassment, I don't know how it works, either. I use Gnus as a >> newsreader, and access these emacs.* groups via nntp. But sometimes I >> followup using "F", and sometimes I reply with "S W". I'm often not even >> aware of which I've used. In the latter case, I must be sending email to >> ding@gnus.org, but it all ends up looking the same to me. > > I never really understood the difference between "F" and "S W"... could > you explain? Gnus can send messages via two methods: "news" (which is done directly by an nntp server), and "mail" (which requires separate SMTP configuration). In the Summary buffer, you've got multiple semi-redundant commands which do the same thing for either news (called a "followup") or mail (called a "reply"). Because followup is only ever sent to a newsgroup (not multiple recipients), it only has two flavors -- with or without quotation -- on "f" and "F". A mail reply can be "plain", "wide" or "very wide", and also with or without quotation, leading to a total of (*counts on fingers*) six bound commands. The full complement is on the "S" prefix key, but "r" and "R" also do the most obvious. Where I'm less certain is what happens when you mail reply in an nntp newsgroup. In the case of gnus.general, the address "ding@gnus.org" is always in the cc, so if you do any of the (very) wide reply options, Gnus apparently knows that your message will also go to the group, and it lets you send the mail reply (as opposed to the news followup). If you try a non-wide mail reply (which would not go to the group) it assumes you're making a dumb mistake and asks for confirmation. I don't know how much of this is standard nntp stuff, how much particular to Gnus the newsreader, and how much particular to gnus.general the newsgroup. Hope that didn't make things worse! Eric