* Re: Remove message-valid-fqdn-regexp?
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@ 2016-02-06 5:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-06 5:20 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2016-02-06 5:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars-Johan Liman; +Cc: ding
Lars-Johan Liman <liman@netnod.se> writes:
> Esteemed Sirs,
>
> Can I humbly suggest that the variable message-valid-fqdn-regexp and the
> use thereof be removed from GNUS? Or possibly set to a default value of
> ".*" (or similar) so that it's open but so that limits can be imposed by
> the user, if he/she so wishes?
>
> In my view it is simply overtaken by events. Back in the day, the root
> zone "moved" very slowly. New TLDs were introduced in singles per
> decade. Having a watchdog in your mail reader made a bit of sense.
> Today, we have several new TLDs every week. Any attempt at making
> distributed _code_ keep up with such a rapidly moving target is simply
> doomed.
>
> If I read things right, the current version of the variable in the GIT
> repository lists 277 TLDs, not counting the two-letter ccTLDs. The
> current root zone (serial no. 2015111500) has 859 ... and counting.
Yeah, that doesn't seem all that useful.
> At first thought, it may seem reasonable to replace the static list with
> a dynamic DNS lookup when the data is needed, but I would not recommend
> that, as it's far from certain that you're connected to the Internet
> when your submitting your message for delivery*. Doing the lookup will
> in that case lead to long and bothersome timeouts.
>
> Removing or totally opening it up are the only viable alternatives to
> me. Possibly, one could envisage retaining a generic syntax checker, but
> that is only practical if done _after_ any IDN** translation from u-label
> to a-label.
Well, since Emacs is also a web browser, it has to have a way to keep
track of where it's valid to set cookies. (foo.co.uk isn't allowed to
set cookies for co.uk.)
So Emacs updates its version of
https://publicsuffix.org/list/public_suffix_list.dat
for every release. So Emacs should already know about all these domains
without maintaining a separate variable in message.el.
I think I'll just adjust the code to query that data instead. That
should work, right?
(Although it would always be somewhat outdated.)
> ** I don't know if GNUS supports IDNs, but if not, it hopefully will in
> the future.
It does now. I think support was added a few months back.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* Re: Remove message-valid-fqdn-regexp?
2016-02-06 5:09 ` Remove message-valid-fqdn-regexp? Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2016-02-06 5:20 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-06 14:21 ` Lars-Johan Liman
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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2016-02-06 5:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars-Johan Liman; +Cc: ding
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> https://publicsuffix.org/list/public_suffix_list.dat
Hm... that doesn't really have all the domains, perhaps? Only those
that have special cookie rules?
Then I guess the best solution is to just remove
message-valid-fqdn-regexp. Anybody have opinions here?
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* Re: Remove message-valid-fqdn-regexp?
2016-02-06 5:20 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2016-02-06 14:21 ` Lars-Johan Liman
2016-02-07 3:20 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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From: Lars-Johan Liman @ 2016-02-06 14:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: ding
larsi@gnus.org:
>> https://publicsuffix.org/list/public_suffix_list.dat
larsi@gnus.org:
> Hm... that doesn't really have all the domains, perhaps? Only those
> that have special cookie rules?
> Then I guess the best solution is to just remove
> message-valid-fqdn-regexp. Anybody have opinions here?
Thanks. That would be appreciated.
Cheers,
/Liman
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* Re: Remove message-valid-fqdn-regexp?
2016-02-06 14:21 ` Lars-Johan Liman
@ 2016-02-07 3:20 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-08 14:14 ` Lars-Johan Liman
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2016-02-07 3:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars-Johan Liman; +Cc: ding
Lars-Johan Liman <liman@netnod.se> writes:
>> Then I guess the best solution is to just remove
>> message-valid-fqdn-regexp. Anybody have opinions here?
>
> Thanks. That would be appreciated.
I've now removed it on the Emacs trunk.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* Re: Remove message-valid-fqdn-regexp?
2016-02-07 3:20 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2016-02-08 14:14 ` Lars-Johan Liman
0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Lars-Johan Liman @ 2016-02-08 14:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: ding
larsi@gnus.org:
> Lars-Johan Liman <liman@netnod.se> writes:
>>> Then I guess the best solution is to just remove
>>> message-valid-fqdn-regexp. Anybody have opinions here?
>>
>> Thanks. That would be appreciated.
> I've now removed it on the Emacs trunk.
Thanks again! :-)
Cheers,
/Liman
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