From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/66175 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jidanni@jidanni.org Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: exploring levels 5 and 6 of subscribedness Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:25:06 +0800 Message-ID: <87y7amf46l.fsf@jidanni.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1200800633 29241 80.91.229.12 (20 Jan 2008 03:43:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:43:53 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M14666@lists.math.uh.edu Sun Jan 20 04:44:12 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JGR6Q-0008CV-Up for ding-account@gmane.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:44:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JGR4w-0006Ed-Cc; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:42:38 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JGR4t-0006EC-4V for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:42:35 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JGR4n-0002xP-94 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:42:35 -0600 Original-Received: from lax-green-bigip-5.dreamhost.com ([208.113.200.5] helo=blingymail-a1.g.dreamhost.com) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1JGR4o-0003qv-00 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:42:30 +0100 Original-Received: from jidanni2 (218-174-91-125.dynamic.hinet.net [218.174.91.125]) by blingymail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9D35CD44 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:42:23 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: SpamAssassin (3.1.9 2007-02-13) analysis follows Bayesian score: 0.0003 Ham tokens: 0.000-343--802h-0s--1d--UD:el, 0.000-4188--9805h-5s--0d--H*M:fsf, 0.000-3888--9104h-5s--0d--H*MI:fsf, 0.001-23--53h-0s--0d--gnus, 0.001-16--37h-0s--0d--Gnus Spam tokens: 0.987-27--2h-374s--0d--LOWEST, 0.958-1--0h-1s--0d--H*RU:sk:218-174, 0.958-1--0h-1s--0d--H*r:sk:218-174, 0.958-1--0h-1s--0d--HX-Spam-Relays-External:sk:218-174, 0.958-1--0h-1s--0d--denies Autolearn status: no 1.0 NO_REAL_NAME From: does not include a real name 1.2 DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 Date: is 12 to 24 hours before Received: date -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0003] 0.6 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:66175 Archived-At: There is S l gnus-group-set-current-level but no gnus-group-show-current-level to show the level of the current group. One must dig it out of .newsrc.eld here in "Gnus v5.11". Indeed it would be nice to have a command show all the levels of all the groups. All there is now is "show me all the groups below a given level". You see I have this group, "nnml:archive.2008", at level 5. Quite dim in colour, but I don't want to see it at all there in the *Group* buffer. OK, I then set it to level 6. But then it becomes excruciatingly hard to dig it up when I do want to see it. j (gnus-group-jump-to-group) then refuses to expand its name, etc. The whole of gnus practically denies its existence. I never had a daughter named Martha, etc. At level 5 I could still mark all the articles as read and then it acts like I want and goes just below the surface of the *Group* swimming pool, but there are new articles accruing each day so it becomes unread. I'm sure http://jidanni.org/comp/.gnus.el isn't to blame. Wait, L runs the command gnus-group-list-all-groups List all newsgroups with level ARG or lower. Default is `gnus-level-unsubscribed', which lists all subscribed and most unsubscribed groups. OK, I now set the group to level 6, and gnus-level-unsubscribed is 7, but the group doesn't show up after hitting L. There I am, a victim of a *Bug* again. There are even unread articles in the group. By the way, investigating another function, (defun gnus-group-list-groups (&optional level unread lowest) "List newsgroups with level LEVEL or lower that have unread articles. Default is all subscribed groups. If argument UNREAD is non-nil, groups with no unread articles are also listed. You forgot to document LOWEST. P.S. gnus-level-unsubscribed docstring says Groups with levels less than or equal to this variable are unsubscribed. [add "...EXCEPT:"] Groups with levels less than `gnus-level-subscribed', which should be less than this variable, are subscribed. But still this is as confusing as the Info page: Gnus considers groups from levels 1 to `gnus-level-subscribed' (inclusive) (default 5) to be subscribed, `gnus-level-subscribed' (exclusive) and `gnus-level-unsubscribed' (inclusive) (default 7) to be unsubscribed... You probably should just make a table.