From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/35771 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Arcady Genkin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Quimby Upgrade Date: 12 Apr 2001 16:56:40 -0400 Message-ID: <87y9t5bzw7.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> References: <20010410162812.7343.qmail@nightshade.la.mastaler.com> <87g0fg56fb.fsf@inanna.rimspace.net> <20010411052354.D46053@kens.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035171458 4816 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 03:37:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:37:38 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 27787 invoked by alias); 12 Apr 2001 20:56:39 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 27782 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2001 20:56:39 -0000 Original-Received: from cr103675-a.bloor1.on.wave.home.com (HELO mail.thpoon.com) (24.42.106.79) by gnus.org with SMTP; 12 Apr 2001 20:56:39 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 83532 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2001 20:56:41 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO tea.thpoon.com) (qmailr@192.168.1.2) by cr103675-a.bloor1.on.wave.home.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2001 20:56:41 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 1956 invoked by uid 1000); 12 Apr 2001 20:56:40 -0000 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: 0=A/O5-+sE[Tf%X>rYr?Y5LD4,:^'jaJ!4jC&UR*ZrrK2>^`g22Qeb]!:d;}2YJ|Hq"LHdF OX`jWX|AT-WVFQ(TPhFVak)0nt$aEdlOq=1~D,:\z5QlVOrZ2(H,mKg=Xr|'VlHA="r Mail-Copies-To: never In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.2 (Urania) Original-Lines: 61 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:35771 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:35771 Harry Putnam writes: > Try finding a sendmail port or pkg. It must be done from FreeBSD > source directory. At least last time I checked. Yes, that's because it's part of base system. It's still upgradable by a simple "make install" in its source directory, AFAIK. Who needs sendmail anyways? The following solves the sendmail problems forever: ,----[ /etc/rc.conf ] | sendmail_enable="NO" `---- ,----[ /etc/make.conf ] | NO_SENDMAIL=true `---- Done! > As a package manager; ports, packages and CVSup sucks. As a user, I say that ports and CVSup rock. The main advantage is separation of applications from the OS distribution. It doesn't matter whether you run FreeBSD 3.4, 4.2, or 5.0, you still have the same port for Apache, and if you want to upgrade, it's there. With any Linux distro you have to constantly upgrade your base system only in order to stay current with vital software. And in case of Debian even this is infeasible, because their releases are so infrequent. I'm absolutely fine with running the same distribution for over a year, but *give me my new apache whith that annoying PDF bug fixed*! ;^) > A full CVSup and build world is about the furthermost thing from `very > good' as can be imagined. Its an esoteric art form riddled with > problems as can be seen on `FreeBSD-questions' constantly. With dozens > of subjects like: > > `Build world broke/stopped/aborted/flailed/stymied/jitterbugged/ > quit/careemed/disembowled/flopped/thrashed....please help' I see those, too. But strangely, this has always worked for me. I've been doing upgrades via "make world" even since FreeBSD 3.3, and it worked *every* time. Generally, it seems that at least FreeBSD developers know what they are doing. I've installed an OpenBSD server two weeks ago. Installed from the first try *with only one installation diskette* and over the network. I was very impressed. As for Linux, I have to give credit to the 2.4 kernel for really fast networking. Finally I'm seeing 8M/s transfers on my workstation's interface; something I've been enjoying on the FreeBSD server all along. However, WTF did they do with swapping in 2.4 kernels? Is it only me, or the swapping, like, totally sucks? I brought my workstation to its knees (had to hard reset, stopped responding) with a Matlab's hilb(4000), once it started swapping. The same happened to our school's compute server which is a 2-way 1GHz PIII running 2.4.2 with 2GB of RAM. It just died from two matlab processes. :-\ Not a pleasant experience. I know that I was mean with hilb(4000), but it shouldn't die, or should it? -- Arcady Genkin Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.