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I've been using gnus to fetch mail directly from gmail for years. Things work as expected at the 99% level, at times with some effort. However something changed two days ago that I can't understand. It was only in my gmail "Sent Mail" folder and nowhere else. Everything was fine until that morning Sent Mail, when fetched, showed a few recent sent messages, and then skipped over several thousand of them and showed messages from 2021 on back. Now, if I did /o and told it to fetch all 28,000 or so headers, everything would then show up. I checked the usual suspects. I was using (display . all). I was using gnus-thread-sort-by-most-recent-date in the variable gnus-thread-sort-function. I tried adding (not gnus-thread-sort-by-number) to no avail. Further research appeared to indicate that gnus fetches by the IMAP server's ID number, and the numbers on the gmail server appeared to have all of a sudden gotten out of sync with the email dates. So if I fetched just a few headers, I would get the odd behavior described. If I fetched all the headers, gnus would be able to sort all the mail in proper date order. In other words gnus couldn't sort headers it didn't have. There's nothing to do about this as it apparently is some sort of gmail problem. On the web interface, of course, everything sorts as expected, but that's not what I care to use. What I did was move a few thousand emails out of Sent Mail and into the gmail archive. In effect what this does is remove the Sent Mail label. The mail still remains in gmails All Mail label. Eventually I got to something that was more or less date sequential. The reason I'm posting here is to ask if anyone else has seen strange things like this when using gnus and gmail. I'm not asking for a solution as it appears there is none, at least not on the gnus side. -- Bob Newell Honolulu, Hawai`i - Via GNU/Linux/Emacs/Gnus/BBDB