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Before, you had: Emacs -> MTA -> Destination MTA And the first two were under your control. In that situation, the Destination MTA tends to ask questions like "is MTA likely to be a spammer", and insisting on proper DNS entries is one way to check for that. With what you have now, MTA is smtp.gmail.com or similar, and you have to provide credentials in order to send email via them, so they a) Know who you are b) Can cut you off if you misbehave c) Don=CA=BCt care about DNS, since you've authenticated yourself. Robert