From: "Adam Sjøgren" <asjo@koldfront.dk>
To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: Proposed new introductory section to the Gnus manual
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 19:55:51 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zhk5ox94.fsf@tullinup.koldfront.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o90mm4x2.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net>
Eric writes:
> Let me know if you have any comments/questions/suggestions!
Nitpicks and comments follow.
> ━━━━━━━━━━━━━
> DON’T PANIC
> ━━━━━━━━━━━━━
It's cute with a Douglas Adams reference, but I think a headline that is
more descriptive of the contents is warranted.
> Welcome, gentle user, to the Gnus newsreader and email client! Gnus is
> unlike most clients, in part because of its gross configurability, and
I agree with (the other) Eric that "gross" sounds a little too.. icky?
> While Gnus is now a fully-featured email client, it began life as a
> newsreader, and its DNA is still newsreader DNA.
I think I understand where you are going with this, but Gnus is still a
newsreader, right? This sentence sounds like it isn't anymore.
> 3. Gnus will only show you groups with unread or ticked articles;
Is "ticked" articles a Gnusism? Maybe "marked" or "flagged" would be
more accessible to a newcomer?
Come to think of it, will the average email user who hasn't heard of
usenet know that "article" for mail is synonymous with "email"? A little
later you use the term "message", which might be less confusing up here
as well?
> If this seems draconian, think of it as Enforced Inbox Zero.
"Enforced" sounds so negative. Automatic Inbox Zero? "Now, with more AIZ!"
> This is the way Gnus works by default. It is possible to make it work
> more like an email client (always showing read groups and read
> messages), but that will take some effort on the part of the user, and
> Gnus won’t ever really like it.
Does Gnus have an opinion? It's more like it is unnatural or counter to
the design, right?
(I said I would nitpick...)
> When sending messages, too, Gnus makes a distinction between news-like
> and mail-like behavior. News servers handle mail delivery themselves,
Perhaps "message delivery"?
> Mail message composition starts with “m” in the *Group* buffer, or “r”
> if you’re replying to an existing message.
Won't most users expect to use R or F, rather than r?
o o o
I'm not really sure where you're aiming with this. It's too vague to be
a tutorial, it's too limited to be a manual. An email-biased
introduction? Perhaps use a headline to set the tone/ambition.
It is hard to write a tutorial without getting bogged down in details
that won't fit every reader, I know - even from experience.
Maybe it's been too long since I've read the manual. (And no, I won't go
read any of the vim-tutorials you referred to ;-))
I think I sound more negative than I wanted to, here. It makes sense to
me, to have a more gentle introduction/overview in the beginning of the
manual and I think you've got a good start.
Documentation is hard, let's go code.
Best regards,
Adam
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prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-08-19 17:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-08-18 23:26 Eric Abrahamsen
2019-08-19 0:34 ` dick.r.chiang
2019-08-19 1:06 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-08-19 2:46 ` Bob Newell
2019-08-19 7:01 ` Eric S Fraga
2019-08-20 4:26 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-08-20 11:37 ` dick
2019-09-09 8:13 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-09-09 11:52 ` dick
2019-09-09 18:39 ` Bob Newell
2019-09-09 19:48 ` dick
2019-09-10 2:36 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-09-10 20:21 ` dick
2019-09-10 23:50 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-09-12 19:19 ` Michael
2019-09-13 9:19 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-09-13 15:08 ` Eric S Fraga
2019-09-13 16:54 ` Michael
2019-09-16 2:51 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-09-13 18:24 ` Bob Newell
2019-09-13 18:39 ` Change input method or smtp server depending on addressee (was: Proposed new introductory section to the Gnus manual) Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2019-09-14 17:38 ` Change input method or smtp server depending on addressee Štěpán Němec
2019-09-16 18:26 ` Bob Newell
2019-09-16 8:52 ` Robert Pluim
2019-12-20 12:54 ` 황병희
2019-09-16 2:55 ` Proposed new introductory section to the Gnus manual Eric Abrahamsen
2019-09-16 18:34 ` Bob Newell
2019-09-10 20:39 ` Adam Sjøgren
2019-09-10 20:54 ` dick
2019-09-12 5:31 ` Steinar Bang
2019-09-07 19:50 ` Adam Sjøgren
2019-09-08 17:00 ` Bob Newell
2019-08-19 16:01 ` Adam Sjøgren
2019-08-19 18:04 ` Bob Newell
2019-08-19 18:09 ` Adam Sjøgren
2019-08-20 4:29 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-09-07 19:44 ` Adam Sjøgren
2019-08-19 16:16 ` Eric S Fraga
2019-08-20 7:08 ` Bjørn Mork
2019-08-20 9:51 ` Eric S Fraga
2019-08-20 10:32 ` Bjørn Mork
2019-08-20 10:55 ` Eric S Fraga
2019-08-19 17:55 ` Adam Sjøgren [this message]
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