From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/84164 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Emacs Cloud Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 09:53:16 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87zjm8fdsz.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <877g9fxwih.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87r47ni1mu.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87k3deo8y0.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87mwiaqzjj.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87txcimrsc.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87ha8impk9.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87eh3mqf4t.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <871tzmm6yz.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87vbwyks3h.fsf@building.gnus.org> <8761oxqvrp.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87ha8hf7ow.fsf@building.gnus.org> <878uttf6bu.fsf@building.gnus.org> <8738k1f586.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87r47klisw.fsf@randomsample.de> Reply-To: ding@gnus.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1391439215 30071 80.91.229.3 (3 Feb 2014 14:53:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 14:53:35 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M32416@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Feb 03 15:53:38 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WAKu1-0004B1-VV for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 15:53:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1WAKtv-00022I-HP; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 08:53:31 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1WAKtu-000224-Ct for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 08:53:30 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WAKtt-0004xj-4e for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 08:53:30 -0600 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WAKtr-0008TU-QD for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 15:53:27 +0100 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WAKtq-00045h-FX for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 15:53:26 +0100 Original-Received: from c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([98.229.61.72]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 15:53:26 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 15:53:26 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 26 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:06rOkjorK0NtXP7c8E++MhD9Kzw= X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:84164 Archived-At: On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 09:08:47 +0100 David Engster wrote: DE> Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: >> Julien Danjou writes: >> >>> Pros: no passphrase to enter, GPG agent takes care of it >> >> I don't think we can rely on GPG agent being available... DE> GnuPG 2.x *requires* the agent; it does not make sense to use GnuPG 2.x DE> without setting up the agent as well. It was a deliberate design DE> decision to have *one* secure daemon for querying and caching DE> pass-phrases, instead of leaving this to the applications, which will DE> often do it wrong. I'd argue that Emacs is not an application in any way. DE> If you really don't want to use the agent, then just keep using GnuPG DE> 1.x, which is actively maintained (and probably will be for a long DE> time). Note that you can install GnuPG 1.x alongside GnuPG 2.x with no DE> problems, and every recent distribution I know has packages for both. I've covered all of this with Stefan and Daiki Ueno in the discussions I referenced, from my reasoning to annoying issues with the GPG daemon's pinentry. Ted