gnus-add-to-list doesn't work for all groups

gnus-add-to-list doesn't work for all groups

[Tassilo Horn]

Hi all,

I've set `gnus-add-to-list' via group parameters to t in all my mailing
list groups.

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(setq gnus-parameters
      [...]
	(,(rx "nnimap+Uni:ml/")
	 (gcc-self . "nnimap+Uni:Sent")
	 (subscribed . t)
	 (gnus-add-to-list t))
	(,(rx "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.mailinglists.")
	 (gcc-self . "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.Sent Items")
	 (gnus-use-scoring t)
	 (subscribed . t)
	 (gnus-add-to-list t))))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

What works is that in every summary buffer of a mailing list like

    nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.mailinglists.ding
    nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.mailinglists.emacs-devel

gnus-add-to-list's value is t.

However, whereas in the emacs-devel group above, hitting `a' already
inserts the mailing list address as To (and gnus-mailing-list-mode is
t), that doesn't happen in ding or any other group.  I remember that I
was once queried if emacs-devel@gnu.org should be added as to-list
parameter when posting to emacs-devel.  However, that didn't happen in
any other mailing list group.

Now I've grepped the Gnus source files for gnus-add-to-list, and it's
only used in `gnus-post-news'.  So I used `edebug-defun' to check why
there's no to-list parameter added although `gnus-add-to-list' it t, and
the answer is that this function isn't called at all when I send off a
mail with `C-c C-c' (`message-send-and-exit').

Any ideas what's wrong?

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: gnus-add-to-list doesn't work for all groups

[Katsumi Yamaoka]

Tassilo Horn wrote:
[...]
> Now I've grepped the Gnus source files for gnus-add-to-list, and it's
> only used in `gnus-post-news'.  So I used `edebug-defun' to check why
> there's no to-list parameter added although `gnus-add-to-list' it t, and
> the answer is that this function isn't called at all when I send off a
> mail with `C-c C-c' (`message-send-and-exit').

This adds the To address of a *sent* mail to the to-list group
parameter of the group (and is saved to the ~/.newsrc.eld file).
So, you will get that address in the To header afterward.

Re: gnus-add-to-list doesn't work for all groups

[Tassilo Horn]

Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org> writes:

>> Now I've grepped the Gnus source files for gnus-add-to-list, and it's
>> only used in `gnus-post-news'.  So I used `edebug-defun' to check why
>> there's no to-list parameter added although `gnus-add-to-list' it t,
>> and the answer is that this function isn't called at all when I send
>> off a mail with `C-c C-c' (`message-send-and-exit').
>
> This adds the To address of a *sent* mail to the to-list group
> parameter of the group (and is saved to the ~/.newsrc.eld file).
> So, you will get that address in the To header afterward.

Yes, I know.  But I've sent dozens of mails to ding and other mailing
list groups already, yet I get the prefilling of the mailing list
address only in my emacs-devel group.

In .newrc.eld, there's an entry (to-list . "emacs-devel@gnu.org") for my
emacs-devel group, but no other mailing list group has such an entry.

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: gnus-add-to-list doesn't work for all groups

[Katsumi Yamaoka]

Tassilo Horn wrote:
> Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org> writes:
[...]
>> This adds the To address of a *sent* mail to the to-list group
>> parameter of the group (and is saved to the ~/.newsrc.eld file).
>> So, you will get that address in the To header afterward.

> Yes, I know.  But I've sent dozens of mails to ding and other mailing
> list groups already, yet I get the prefilling of the mailing list
> address only in my emacs-devel group.

> In .newrc.eld, there's an entry (to-list . "emacs-devel@gnu.org") for my
> emacs-devel group, but no other mailing list group has such an entry.

This requires using the `a' command to start composing a mail.
Moreover, the function to send a mail should be one of the
message.el functions that understands `message-send-actions'.
See its value in a mail beffer; it should have this element:

(gnus-inews-add-to-address "GroupName")

Note that this won't appear if the to-list or to-address group
parameter has already been set for the group (and gnus-add-to-list
will have no effect).

Re: gnus-add-to-list doesn't work for all groups

[Tassilo Horn]

Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org> writes:

> This requires using the `a' command to start composing a mail.

I think, I did so in my original mail starting this thread.  [This
turned out to be wrong; see below.]

> Moreover, the function to send a mail should be one of the message.el
> functions that understands `message-send-actions'.  See its value in a
> mail beffer; it should have this element:
>
> (gnus-inews-add-to-address "GroupName")

Ok, so now I've hit `a' in my ding group and got a new *unsent mail*
message-mode buffer with this value.

,----
| message-send-actions is a variable defined in `message.el'.
| Its value is
| ((when
|      (gnus-buffer-exists-p "*Summary nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.mailinglists.ding*")
|    (with-current-buffer "*Summary nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.mailinglists.ding*" nil))
|  (gnus-inews-add-to-address "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.mailinglists.ding"))
| 
| Local in buffer *unsent mail*; global value is nil
| 
| Documentation:
| A list of actions to be performed upon successful sending of a message.
`----

So that looks good to me.  In that mail, I added myself as To, and now I
should be queried if my own address should be added as to-list for my
ding group.

I've done edebug-defun on `gnus-inews-add-to-address' and am now sending
off the mail with `message-send-and-exit'...  Gosh, it worked, I was
queried!!

OMG, now I know what I was doing wrong all the time.  When I want to
compose a mail to a list it goes like:

    1. `a'         ; Shit, empty To.  Don't want to hand-edit!
    2. `C-x k RET' ; Kill the *unsent mail* buffer
    3. `RET'       ; Select some random article from the summary
    4. Move point to To: ding@gnus.org and `RET' which creates a new
       *unsent mail* buffer with To prefilled.

So, yes, that's not `a'. ;-)

However, maybe it would make sense if `RET' on an email address had the
same effect as `a' rather than `m'...

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: gnus-add-to-list doesn't work for all groups

[Katsumi Yamaoka]

Tassilo Horn wrote:
> However, maybe it would make sense if `RET' on an email address had the
> same effect as `a' rather than `m'...

Why it is limited to only `a' seems to be, I guess, that one may
have not wanted gnus-add-to-list to be conspicuous since it cannot
be complete (the To address isn't necessarily the list address ;-).

Re: gnus-add-to-list doesn't work for all groups

[Tassilo Horn]

Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org> writes:

>> However, maybe it would make sense if `RET' on an email address had
>> the same effect as `a' rather than `m'...
>
> Why it is limited to only `a' seems to be, I guess, that one may have
> not wanted gnus-add-to-list to be conspicuous since it cannot be
> complete (the To address isn't necessarily the list address ;-).

That's true, but on the other hand you're queried anyway and able not to
select the current address as to-list.  So it depends if one frequently
starts off-list mails by selecting the receiver from a mailing list
summary.  Or even more concrete, if one frequently starts off-list mails
that way before to-list has been set initially.  Not very likely, IMHO.

But I'll simply remember to press `a' the next time. :-)

Thanks a lot for your help,
Tassilo