From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/81932 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tassilo Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Excessive nntp reads since today Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:57:13 +0200 Message-ID: <87zk87t4za.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> References: <877gvcd91f.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <85txygk74a.fsf@iznogoud.viz> <87y5nsbqj4.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <85pq94k37p.fsf@iznogoud.viz> <87aa08big2.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <85vcivuxmf.fsf@iznogoud.viz> <87haufw88y.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <85r4tjcgox.fsf@iznogoud.viz> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1339613944 28899 80.91.229.3 (13 Jun 2012 18:59:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:59:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M30202@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Jun 13 20:59:03 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SesmV-0002hI-5S for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:59:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Seskr-0000l7-QE; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:57:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Seskq-0000kx-80 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:57:20 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sesko-0000o7-NO for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:57:19 -0500 Original-Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.27]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Seskm-0000AR-Ve; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:57:17 +0200 Original-Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.42]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC8320D6B; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from frontend2.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.161]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:57:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=smtpout; bh=a5M+UnRFkQQIMr1YAmr83sag2Js=; b=Ew9zXqo4KAluq6OhNpSSJpAK5vVC KTqslWQxnEehpBxv5x8Af3YDSSl3Uy+WcftngrzMHfLWbXiu7TXLdvcrEUp8THia DDGqh7vmreelcv+NiDgRSGwq2rqxu0dawRC9M1XAnxd7O7ZQ9dFREy+5PrrUFvc2 4WWMdHsm1p1qiBw= X-Sasl-enc: d5+6PcgJCsU6DkelCKNcmuFh78dRCjbND7BppEM2H0/R 1339613835 Original-Received: from thinkpad.tsdh.de (unknown [91.67.9.216]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id F3FC8483522; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:57:14 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <85r4tjcgox.fsf@iznogoud.viz> (Wolfgang Jenkner's message of "Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:36:14 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.1 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:81932 Archived-At: Wolfgang Jenkner writes: Hi Wolfgang, >> The only difference to the current state of affairs would be that t >> or 'some for `gnus-summary-show-old-articles' would only show already >> fetched articles. > > Well, as I said, when plugged the agent cache is, IMHO, designed to be > transparent with respect to the server. > > This implies that the summary should be the same as if the agent were > non used at all. > > Only when the agent is unplugged it effectively is the server and you > may expose its internal state in the summary. > > Of course, these points may be less important than I think them to > be :-) Yes, I think you have a bit too high expectations here. I mean, the real server is some reasonably well equipped machine, but Gnus possibly runs on some small netbook with few RAM and disk space. Thus there shouldn't be a need to have subscribed groups to be complete (header) mirrors of all available messages on the server. For example, gmane.emacs.help currently has an 26MB .overview here, and gmane.emacs.devel has nearly twice as many messages thus probably it would have a 50MB overview. And that's only for parts of the message headers. And finally, nobody has ever complained about the agent not fetching all old message headers. Bye, Tassilo