From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/77716 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: plain old draft saving Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:50:02 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87zkow4ew5.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87y64hkxxp.fsf@jidanni.org> <87k4g07n8o.fsf@lifelogs.com> <19bp1clccn.fsf@news.eternal-september.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1300200631 18930 80.91.229.12 (15 Mar 2011 14:50:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:50:31 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M26040@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Mar 15 15:50:28 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PzVZq-0000Ja-Mr for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:50:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PzVZn-0003jG-4j; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:50:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PzVZl-0003is-E4 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:50:21 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PzVZk-0007S3-Fu for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:50:21 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PzVZj-0007xY-PR for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:50:19 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PzVZi-0000E1-32 for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:50:18 +0100 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:50:18 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:50:18 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 54 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110014 (No Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Ru8cs3GB1abKqi+aP5IoezMjW/4= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:77716 Archived-At: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:52:56 +0100 Richard Riley wrote: RR> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 08:52:02 +0800 jidanni@jidanni.org wrote: >> j> message-dont-send is an interactive compiled Lisp function in j> `message.el'. >> j> (message-dont-send) >> j> Don't send the message you have been editing. j> Instead, just auto-save the buffer and then bury it. >> j> OK, but mention there what it you just want to save it but not bury it. j> Would a old fashioned j> C-x C-s runs the command save-buffer j> be OK, or does one need a fancy gnus-* command. >> >> An unsent message does not need to be saved explicitly. RR> Things can confuse in Gnus. What does "unsent" mean? Generally it means RR> it "was not sent" ie posted to the destination. It means that `message-send' hasn't been called successfully in the message buffer. RR> I started using the gnus-agent-queue in order to review all mails RR> before sending using JS. The ones in the queue are, too, "unsent" RR> IMO : you can edit them and save them and they are transferred back RR> to the drafts which makes perfect sense. Remember now, message.el is a standalone package in Emacs and needs to be considered in isolation from the rest of Gnus. So the Gnus Agent may intercept the `message-send' process but that doesn't mean the terminology is wrong as far as message.el is concerned. RR> Regarding message-dont-send thats the equivalent of RR> C-x C-s followed by C-x 0 RR> ie "save in drafts and hide". RR> So in answer to the OP: RR> Yes, C-x C-s is the same as "save it but dont bury it". Typically for Dan's bug reports/complaints, it's not clear what he wants. You guessed he wants an answer. I guessed he wants the documentation clarified. Also his comment of "what [if] you just want to save it" is directly answered by my comment. You don't "just" want to save a message. You either save it as a draft with `C-c C-d' or you send it with `C-c C-c'. Mentioning `C-x C-s' would IMO just confuse the user and serve no practical purpose because the unsent message is already autosaved as a draft. Ted