From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/69324 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Gnus encouragement of GMail (was: Installation, activation and setup of packages (e.g. Gnus)) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:28:41 -0600 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87zl4sb2zq.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> References: <878wclke6j.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k4w5lbyb.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <87zl50jv52.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87d41rn3wt.fsf_-_@hagelb.org> <87k4vxiwlj.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87aawsh7ou.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87y6kcfnij.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1262730619 31347 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2010 22:30:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 22:30:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Ding Mailing List Original-X-From: ding-owner+M17729@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Jan 05 23:30:12 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NSHul-0000Ob-N8 for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:30:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSHu4-00083H-Le; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:29:28 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSHu3-000839-L3 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:29:27 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NSHu2-0002V1-QU for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:29:27 -0600 Original-Received: from chirelay1o.jumptrading.com ([38.98.147.153] helo=chirelay1.jumptrading.com) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1NSHtt-0007Ez-00 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:29:17 +0100 Original-Received: from chirelay1.jumptrading.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by chirelay1.jumptrading.com (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 4F18E32000B for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:28:55 -0600 (CST) X-AuditID: 26629395-a0324bb000004311-8d-4b43bd26834b Original-Received: from chiexchange02.w2k.jumptrading.com (unknown [38.98.147.140]) by chirelay1.jumptrading.com (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 3FB442DC108 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:28:54 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from internalsmtp.w2k.jumptrading.com (10.2.4.29) by chiexchange02.w2k.jumptrading.com (10.2.4.71) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.291.1; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:28:43 -0600 Original-Received: from tzlatanov-ubuntu-desktop.jumptrading.com ([10.2.13.58]) by internalsmtp.w2k.jumptrading.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:28:43 -0600 Original-Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.1.90 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:bM54ymIIAY0lAuCAJ7lM+dSVBWg= In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:43:33 -0500") Posted-To: gmane.emacs.devel X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2010 22:28:43.0111 (UTC) FILETIME=[7003CF70:01CA8E56] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:69324 Archived-At: The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to gmane.emacs.devel as well. On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:43:33 -0500 Stefan Monnier wrote: > Ted Z wrote: >> GMail should have a specific setup path since it's so popular. SM> I definitely do not want Emacs to encourage the use of GMail over SM> any other service. Well, users are constantly pointed to the relevant EmacsWiki page for GMail support in Gnus. The settings required are not intuitive. So we either accept the support burden and frustrated users, or we give them the sensible settings as I suggested, or we point them to the EmacsWiki. I don't think the second and third options encourage GMail use in particular. They are just tweaks for those who use GMail IMAP. GMail is the only major IMAP provider to require well-known tweaks; when others arise we'll handle them. Similarly, there's code in Gnus to address Exchange IMAP issues; does that encourage Exchange use? I don't think so. IMHO it actually broadens the appeal of free software to support Exchange IMAP better. I guess a fourth option is to write gnus-gmail.el, host it externally, and make it clear that it's not endorsed by the FSF. But that's no better--how will the users know they need gnus-gmail.el? I'd rather include the support and make it clear it's not an endorsement. Ted