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From: Romain Francoise <romain@orebokech.com>
Cc: Daiki Ueno <ueno@unixuser.org>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc>,
	ding@gnus.org, Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com>
Subject: Re: gpg-agent support removed?!
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:14:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zmixfur1.fsf@pacem.orebokech.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m21ww9ekvv.fsf_-_@kenny.sha-bang.de> (Sascha Wilde's message of "Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:32:36 +0200")

Sascha Wilde <wilde@sha-bang.de> writes:

> And why was it done without any discussion or even informing the
> people involved?!?

Since PGG is historically a Gnus package, it was discussed on the ding
mailing-list, which you obviously don't read...  :-)

The relevant sub-thread starts here:

  <URL: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/62545>

The reasons why this was done are:

1) The new code has bugs and is a major rewrite from previous versions;
   it isn't yet very stable, at least not enough for a stable Gnus
   release.

2) A new Gnus v5.10 release is due out this week-end, so there wasn't
   enough time to fix the bugs in the new code, hence the decision to
   revert it in Gnus 5.10.  Since Emacs 22 is supposed to have Gnus
   5.10, I reverted the changes in Emacs CVS in order to keep the
   upcoming Gnus release and Emacs in sync.

3) The changes broke allout.el's encryption features, and require a
   transition to ensure that allout and PGG can work correctly together
   without breakage.

4) We're trying to get Emacs to a releasable state, and introducing new
   features right now might not be the best idea, depending on how
   seriously you take the feature freeze.

At the moment, the plan is to let the new code mature in the Gnus trunk
(not the Emacs trunk), and then sync it back in Gnus' v5-10 branch and
the Emacs trunk once things have settled down.  I realize that part of
the problem is that PGG is maintained as a Gnus package in Gnus, and as
a general-purpose package in Emacs...

Hoping this clarifies the situation,

-- 
Romain Francoise <romain@orebokech.com> | The sea! the sea! the open
it's a miracle -- http://orebokech.com/ | sea! The blue, the fresh, the
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-04-07 12:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <2cd46e7f0510031250u66ea1349yb437d539ce4027ef@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <2cd46e7f0510061541w73bb6a92wb6d22829b6e804ae@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]   ` <20051007100014.GB4850@kenny.sha-bang.local>
     [not found]     ` <2cd46e7f0510071106k3d4d3e6agc36f16a37d8b6bc6@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]       ` <20051007214952.GA30235@kenny.sha-bang.local>
     [not found]         ` <iluvf08mm1w.fsf@latte.josefsson.org>
     [not found]           ` <20051008103627.GA1218@kenny.sha-bang.local>
     [not found]             ` <2cd46e7f0510081131h14e2bbeaga7f1a33ebd6347c8@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]               ` <2cd46e7f0510101415t76825ea7u9749fe23da54ce@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                 ` <2cd46e7f0510121647x3c51fb65pc883ed61f4e864ab@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                   ` <2cd46e7f0510200708x4640d1c2t50743cf439e52dd4@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                     ` <ilur7ag8efp.fsf@latte.josefsson.org>
2006-03-18 21:17                       ` Small patch to enable use of gpg-agent with pgg Sascha Wilde
2006-03-18 23:30                         ` Daniel Pittman
2006-03-19  0:46                           ` Miles Bader
2006-03-19  3:45                             ` Daniel Pittman
2006-03-19 18:28                               ` Miles Bader
2006-03-19  9:49                           ` Sascha Wilde
2006-03-19 17:30                             ` Sascha Wilde
2006-03-21 14:32                         ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-21 21:29                           ` Reiner Steib
2006-03-22  9:49                             ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-22  8:36                           ` Sascha Wilde
2006-03-22  9:16                             ` Daiki Ueno
2006-03-22  9:48                               ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-22 11:03                               ` Sascha Wilde
2006-03-22 11:13                                 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-22 12:25                                   ` Daiki Ueno
2006-03-23 10:40                                     ` Daiki Ueno
2006-03-23 11:00                                       ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-23 12:18                                         ` Daiki Ueno
2006-03-23 13:08                                           ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-24  5:51                                             ` Daiki Ueno
2006-03-26  0:29                                               ` Daiki Ueno
2006-03-26  1:08                                                 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-26  3:29                                                   ` Miles Bader
2006-03-26  5:06                                                     ` Daiki Ueno
2006-03-26 17:05                                                       ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-26 18:24                                                         ` Sascha Wilde
2006-03-27  9:36                                                           ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-31  7:10                                                             ` Romain Francoise
2006-04-01  9:06                                                               ` Simon Josefsson
2006-04-01  9:23                                                                 ` Romain Francoise
2006-04-03  8:14                                                                   ` "[GNUPG:] TRUST_UNDEFINED" not indicated (was: Small patch to enable use of gpg-agent with pgg) Reiner Steib
2006-04-03  8:32                                                                     ` "[GNUPG:] TRUST_UNDEFINED" not indicated Daiki Ueno
2006-04-03  8:48                                                                       ` Romain Francoise
2006-04-03  9:00                                                                         ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-03  9:28                                                                           ` Romain Francoise
2006-04-03  9:29                                                                             ` Simon Josefsson
2006-04-03 16:42                                                                               ` Adam Sjøgren
2006-04-03 17:00                                                                                 ` Romain Francoise
2006-04-03 17:13                                                                                   ` Adam Sjøgren
2006-04-04  2:39                                                                               ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-04  7:18                                                                                 ` Romain Francoise
2006-04-04 10:35                                                                                   ` Simon Josefsson
2006-04-04 22:58                                                                                     ` Reiner Steib
2006-04-04 23:30                                                                                       ` Simon Josefsson
2006-04-03  8:49                                                                     ` "[GNUPG:] TRUST_UNDEFINED" not indicated (was: Small patch to Simon Josefsson
2006-04-05  1:52                                                         ` pgg-gpg: BEGIN_SIGNING Daiki Ueno
2006-04-05  8:40                                                           ` Simon Josefsson
2006-04-05 10:06                                                             ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-05 11:02                                                               ` Simon Josefsson
2006-04-05 11:46                                                                 ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-05 13:01                                                                   ` Simon Josefsson
2006-04-05 15:21                                                                     ` Please test current GPG features (was: pgg-gpg: BEGIN_SIGNING) Reiner Steib
2006-04-05 15:31                                                                       ` Please test current GPG features Simon Josefsson
2006-04-05 16:17                                                                         ` Reiner Steib
2006-04-18  8:56                                                                           ` Simon Josefsson
2006-04-19 10:03                                                                             ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-19 10:39                                                                               ` Simon Josefsson
2006-04-06 10:40                                                                         ` Reiner Steib
2006-04-06 11:02                                                                           ` Simon Josefsson
2006-04-06 13:01                                                                             ` Reiner Steib
2006-04-06 13:41                                                                               ` Simon Josefsson
2006-04-06 16:20                                                                               ` Romain Francoise
2006-04-06 18:08                                                                                 ` Romain Francoise
2006-04-06 18:27                                                                                   ` Reiner Steib
2006-04-06 18:36                                                                                     ` Romain Francoise
2006-03-23 12:52                                       ` Small patch to enable use of gpg-agent with pgg Sascha Wilde
2006-03-23 20:07                                         ` Daiki Ueno
2006-03-23 22:16                                           ` Sascha Wilde
2006-04-05  9:13                                             ` pgg-gpg broken? Sascha Wilde
2006-04-05  9:42                                               ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-05 10:18                                                 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-04-05 21:33                                                   ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-06  9:00                                                     ` Sascha Wilde
2006-04-06  9:21                                                       ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-06  9:58                                                         ` Sascha Wilde
2006-04-06 10:13                                                           ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-07 10:32                                                           ` gpg-agent support removed?! (was: pgg-gpg broken?) Sascha Wilde
2006-04-07 12:11                                                             ` Simon Josefsson
2006-04-07 12:14                                                             ` Romain Francoise [this message]
2006-04-07 13:00                                                               ` gpg-agent support removed?! Sascha Wilde
2006-04-07 13:30                                                                 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-04-07 20:59                                                                   ` Reiner Steib
2006-04-08  9:36                                                                 ` Romain Francoise
2006-04-08 10:05                                                                   ` Sascha Wilde
2006-04-07 12:35                                                             ` Reiner Steib
2006-04-07 13:02                                                               ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-07 13:08                                                                 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-04-07 13:26                                                                   ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-09 16:04                                                                     ` Sascha Wilde
2006-04-10 18:04                                                                       ` Reiner Steib
2006-04-07 13:40                                                                   ` Reiner Steib
2006-04-07 14:05                                                                 ` Thomas Baumann
2006-04-07 14:40                                                                   ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-07 15:45                                                                     ` Reiner Steib
2006-04-07 20:55                                                                       ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-07 21:22                                                                         ` Reiner Steib
2006-04-08  7:03                                                                           ` Thomas Baumann
2006-04-08 10:18                                                                           ` Daiki Ueno
     [not found]                                                               ` <E1FRydQ-0007gN-9f@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                                                                 ` <873bgo4d0e.fsf@pacem.orebokech.com>
     [not found]                                                                   ` <d215ebff-cfee-4d23-852b-86f1f0d955b8@well-done.deisui.org>
     [not found]                                                                     ` <87r7482tjt.fsf@pacem.orebokech.com>
     [not found]                                                                       ` <fa2c4f80-3b38-4a6c-99ac-ff8dbd1c99f4@well-done.deisui.org>
2006-04-10 18:04                                                                         ` PGG maintainance (was: gpg-agent support removed?!) Reiner Steib
2006-04-05 16:14                                               ` pgg-gpg broken? Reiner Steib
2006-04-05 19:22                                                 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-03-22  9:46                             ` Small patch to enable use of gpg-agent with pgg Simon Josefsson
2006-03-22 16:13                             ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-22 23:01                               ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2006-03-22 23:45                                 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-23  0:58                                   ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2006-03-23  9:12                                     ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-23 10:26                                       ` Sascha Wilde
2006-03-23 10:54                                         ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-23 11:12                                           ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-23 11:16                                             ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-23 12:51                                               ` Reiner Steib
2006-03-23 13:07                                                 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-03-23 13:10                                                   ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-23 12:00                                             ` Sascha Wilde
2006-03-23 13:00                                               ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-26 18:11                                                 ` Sascha Wilde
     [not found]                                             ` <m2wtels74l.fsf@kenny.sha-bang .de>
2006-03-23 23:09                                               ` Miles Bader
2006-04-02  0:30                                                 ` Ken Manheimer
2006-04-02  8:28                                                   ` Daiki Ueno

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