From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/57797 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus vs Wanderlust Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 07:35:54 +0900 Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: <87zn7mvrcl.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1086129388 20712 80.91.224.253 (1 Jun 2004 22:36:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:36:28 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M6338@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Jun 02 00:36:23 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BVHrr-0000g6-00 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:36:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BVHrj-0004XS-00; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:36:15 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BVHrf-0004XN-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:36:11 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BVHrd-0007xn-Qn for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:36:09 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF45A3A0036 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:36:06 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BVHrU-00059z-00 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:36:05 +0200 Original-Received: from yokohama2-61-203-152-214.ap.0038.net ([61.203.152.214]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:36:00 +0200 Original-Received: from miles by yokohama2-61-203-152-214.ap.0038.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:36:00 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 28 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: yokohama2-61-203-152-214.ap.0038.net System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Cancel-Lock: sha1:C42JSmbLrPi997jw1kpO8s7btJ4= Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57797 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57797 colin.rafferty@morganstanley.com writes: > I love Gnus as a news reader. I use it actively, and think it is the > best news reader ever. However, the needs of a mail reader are > different from a news reader. I've always thought this was a very silly argument. I also find that I have slightly different preferences for mail and news, but the amount of _shared_ behavior is _huge_. It seems bizarre to say "Oh just implement a completely new system!" instead of just fixing the problems with Gnus. Not only is the amount of duplicated work enormous, but it's a burden for the _user_ to have to learn and configure two separate systems, especially once they start to explore more advanced features. It's possible that the Gnus framework is so ill-suited to, say, caching that this would be even more work, but it seems unlikely. The main complaints I've seen about Gnus behavior with email are (1) summary generation speed, and (2) lack of rmail-style `categories'. I don't know much about (2), but with regards to (1), at least with backends such as nnml -- which does cache summary information, if not pre-formatted summaries -- the main problem I've had seems to be the same that you mention: it deals poorly with sparse article ranges. Fixing this would go a _long_ way towards making it perfect for me. -Miles -- Freedom's just another word, for nothing left to lose --Janis Joplin