From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/62407 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: gnus / message-send-mail-with-mailclient [patch] Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:35:47 +0100 Message-ID: <8B537374-B83A-4CDB-AFF7-20179106C23E@gmail.com> References: <059BF802-B4EB-433E-AF78-024107CD7E16@gmail.com> <553F677F-B2E1-42F3-8DBC-96734109EBA2@gmail.com> <0698DD0E-838C-4F43-B304-D44217205972@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1143365780 20878 80.91.229.2 (26 Mar 2006 09:36:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 26 11:36:17 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FNRfR-0003Lo-2p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:36:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FNRfQ-0001Ao-Un for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 04:36:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FNRf5-00019U-MB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 04:35:51 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FNRf4-00019C-3Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 04:35:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FNRf3-000199-Nu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 04:35:49 -0500 Original-Received: from [64.233.184.236] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FNRgI-0002Q4-9j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 04:37:06 -0500 Original-Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i28so1173087wra for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:35:47 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=iRAlqEx0/NEKLevTQEsynKT09Z4NxhxpoEUrXhkMAztOv3YtOuqgRPzvHLqYvfYCuZS4XyW5PnpynKAi3z21iUA/u3K+2gqnDaWjUSne5ni+MFQp+IeEo1pXTQ4Sdk81AZ6W5KD/klNgWlDtpE/HqD9nyWz/+4nFmGNqjy6Kjvc= Original-Received: by 10.65.203.7 with SMTP id f7mr1846321qbq; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:35:47 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from ?10.0.0.100? ( [82.41.74.89]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id f18sm2586957qba.2006.03.26.01.35.45; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:35:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Original-To: Kevin Rodgers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:52068 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:62407 Archived-At: On 24 Mar 2006, at 20:29, Kevin Rodgers wrote: > > These require developer-level knowledge and add to the general > > information overload. "Browse" never sounds like mailclient. > > I don't agree. I expect users to use `C-h v' and `C-h f' when they > see > variables and functions explicitly mentioned in an error message > (or in > a status message before things go awry). Part of the problem is that there are no general levels for verbosity (or is there?), and that all messages are shown in the echo area instead of those which are relevant in the functioning case and understandable without detailed knowledge. C-h v and C-h f are fine when you're debugging something. But don't expect people to refer to the documentation just to comprehend a status message, or merely to be able to decide whether the status message indicates success or not. > If the message is prefixed with "mailclient-send-it: " or if > [shortened-mailto-stuff] actually included the "mailto:" URL > scheme, it > should be clear what browse-url is being used for. > > > How about > > > > (message "Delegated message to default mail client.") > > That tells me... nothing. It tells ME that the message at hand was handed over to the mail client which is set set up as the default handler for mail. How about this: mailclient-send-it: Delegated <...mailto...> to mail client. Message dispatched.