From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/77778 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: POP3 UIDL - pop3-leave-mail-on-server Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:49:19 -0400 Message-ID: <8C34E5A3-516E-4A09-8A96-8A8A20ED3237@gmail.com> References: <87ipvwl1nx.wl%claudio.bley@gmail.com> <87hbbewr7o.wl%claudio.bley@gmail.com> <87ei6g0yph.wl%claudio.bley@gmail.com> <87lj0ne4og.fsf_-_@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1300211385 24500 80.91.229.12 (15 Mar 2011 17:49:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 15 18:49:39 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PzYNF-0001NI-O0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:49:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33036 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PzYNF-0003Cq-2g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:49:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41795 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PzYN4-00039b-Gu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:49:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PzYN3-0004NA-EP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:49:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.216.41]:39567) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PzYN3-0004Mu-Bn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:49:25 -0400 Original-Received: by qwa26 with SMTP id 26so885908qwa.0 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:49:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:mime-version:content-type:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to:x-mailer; bh=O6oYSOMSmeP+gKxl7I6YbrGQrILrjrNMaro5ECk5PKo=; b=SRhpOYSskG/2a7h/nQ/LiwV4oSgDHA1iMdbOfPQViy1d8VfRfzNlskr2j2BiFbAPN6 PQFFVrvyWYtYtyLv+j4YzeBrv/GVsfTu3ZEl32qYZDFaP69GPP9IGT0zDNy2/m00njW7 K+kyoQ1HS6DsdjfHd/dtnV6q8DrdSodqwNCZo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=Goca523A2SI79iazAvrb/8w041T3xyRCzx/ooYZsK0FB4X88IfqPfQ9hTUfikWNI2t jfbgnbbx3+fHk2+LFsGHqqvb9PEVr3usW7iA6eLzSwOeI1/Oc5+Tq5sMZ30JuX64+8RG P4CnsYbFBh6cfDbGNWRF6iNb59HAB98xhK/aY= Original-Received: by 10.229.68.98 with SMTP id u34mr10469787qci.200.1300211364084; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.57] (70-91-197-126-BusName-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.91.197.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d21sm26399qck.40.2011.03.15.10.49.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:49:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082.1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.216.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:137247 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:77778 Archived-At: On Mar 15, 2011, at 12:08 PM, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Right. So pop3 can't leave mail on the server because nobody has > bothered to reimplement the UIDL library? How much work could that = be?=20 > [...] > Since nobody has spoken up and said "yes, I would use nnpop", I'm > guessing that there aren't many users (if any) that would still prefer > to read mail (and leave it there) from their pop servers instead of = from > their IMAP servers. FWIW, pop3 UIDL wasn't widely adopted (on either servers or clients) = because (IMHO) it requires that the clients all be able to share a store = of id's. That excludes a large subset of the desired users (for example, = people who want to be able to also check mail from their mobile phone = client). It's still worth implementing, mind you - but these days most users will = still prefer IMAP for a variety of reasons. (All IMHO, of course). Hope that helps, *Chad