From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/88791 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Brent Busby Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: New option gnus-use-atomic-windows Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 12:13:41 -0500 Organization: The James Franck Institute Message-ID: <8xx5zljhr5m.fsf@jfi.uchicago.edu> References: <8736gpayi1.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87ef08ywmj.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> <87pnjruhvf.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="150461"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M36995@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Sep 23 19:14:22 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.208]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iCRun-000cxr-L2 for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:14:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.92.2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCRuN-0006ch-Nj; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 12:13:55 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCRuJ-0006a0-Rq for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 12:13:51 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCRuI-0005cR-4H for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 12:13:51 -0500 Original-Received: from jfimail.uchicago.edu ([128.135.10.37]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iCRuC-0001CZ-Dc for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:13:48 +0200 Original-Received: from jfimail (jfimail.uchicago.edu [128.135.10.37]) by jfimail.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3097B5F4C38 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 12:13:42 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jfi.uchicago.edu Original-Received: from jfimail.uchicago.edu ([128.135.10.37]) by jfimail (jfimail.uchicago.edu [128.135.10.37]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ocao3JuEQDqx for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 12:13:41 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from village (c-67-165-190-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net [67.165.190.190]) by jfimail.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C864DB5F4C36 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 12:13:41 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <87pnjruhvf.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> (Eric S. Fraga's message of "Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:55:48 +0100") List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:88791 Archived-At: Eric S Fraga writes: > I am struggling to see the advantage of gnus-use-atomic-windows. Can > somebody (Eric?) illustrate a benefit (other than helm, as mentioned > earlier, which I don't use)? In a day of testing so far, it has > gotten in the way... Maybe (definitely) I'm missing the point. My two cents: Probably the benefit is just that unlike almost any other Emacs application, Gnus doesn't let you use windows (in the Emacs sense of the word, not frames) to use it at the same time while you're also looking at something else. Any attempts to do that will be foiled just as soon as you do just about anything in Gnus. When I want to do that, I usually just open a new frame so Gnus can have one dedicated to it, but I'm running Emacs in X, so it's nice that I have frames. If I were on a VTY console, I'd have to just live with Gnus owning my whole display when I'm using it. gnus-use-atomic-windows seems to be an attempt to correct that, and let Gnus share frame space nicely with the buffers of things that don't belong to Gnus. But we've been living with this for so long that we've sort of adapted to things the way they have always been (typical Emacs users, huh?), and thus gnus-use-atomic-windows brings its own problems.